Comments on: FIRST GREEN CONVENTION CENTER in Pittsburgh http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/ Future-forward design for the world you inhabit Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:18:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: primasari j.a.phttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-70602 primasari j.a.p Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:31:58 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-70602 can u give me the plan of this conv.centre? thx can u give me the plan of this conv.centre?
thx

]]> By: Nichoashttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-48908 Nichoas Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:38:38 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-48908 Good job Team Vinoly. Gold LEED. Wow. You guys could've racked up so many more points! I really love that picture of the interior filled with gas guzzling cars. Ha! Great promotion of sustainability suckers. Anyway, "points" is the real game here, right?Listen up. LEED is a step towards better common sense, not sustainability. Its a huge croc if one begins to evaluate the "points" wholistically. What happens when one begins to count? They simply reduce everything to a number. Sure its a way to get inertia behind green practices, but not the only way. LEED should not be the definition of "highest and best use" in terms of sustainability or development. EVOLVE! Good job Team Vinoly. Gold LEED. Wow. You guys could’ve racked up so many more points! I really love that picture of the interior filled with gas guzzling cars. Ha! Great promotion of sustainability suckers. Anyway, “points” is the real game here, right?

Listen up. LEED is a step towards better common sense, not sustainability. Its a huge croc if one begins to evaluate the “points” wholistically. What happens when one begins to count? They simply reduce everything to a number. Sure its a way to get inertia behind green practices, but not the only way.
LEED should not be the definition of “highest and best use” in terms of sustainability or development. EVOLVE!

]]> By: Todd HIlscherhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-41717 Todd HIlscher Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:46:06 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-41717 Lets be honest here ... if they would have put in a riparian zone it would have been used by the homeless, or not used at all , including by wildlife. And for the fact that its located in downtown, Rob was right, theres many other factors that play in to the buildings location. I think they did a fantastic job and definately a step in the right direction. Look at the building, its clear that the architect thought it through. There are other aspects involved in architecture besides riparian zones, such as its urban context, function, aesthetics, and on and on.... Vinoly did a great job in his approach and ability to get a gold LEED certification on the project. Lets be honest here … if they would have put in a riparian zone it would have been used by the homeless, or not used at all , including by wildlife. And for the fact that its located in downtown, Rob was right, theres many other factors that play in to the buildings location. I think they did a fantastic job and definately a step in the right direction. Look at the building, its clear that the architect thought it through. There are other aspects involved in architecture besides riparian zones, such as its urban context, function, aesthetics, and on and on…. Vinoly did a great job in his approach and ability to get a gold LEED certification on the project.

]]> By: Deasinehttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37805 Deasine Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:46:47 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37805 Haha... the Vancouver Convention Centre Expansion is better! But very nice use of fabric in this building Haha… the Vancouver Convention Centre Expansion is better! But very nice use of fabric in this building

]]> By: Ben Schiendelmanhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37678 Ben Schiendelman Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:27:51 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37678 Rob, whether or not there's flooding, there are changes that can be made at the edge of the water (especially if there is a seawall). It doesn't look like that was within the parcel of the project, so I don't see a problem with the building. For examples, look at the salmon habitat planned for the seawall upgrades in front of Seattle's Olympic Sculpture Park - it'll be the only place along the waterfront with that kind of work done, but it will offer a safer haven for a number of types of wildlife. Flooding doesn't mean that you can't significantly increase the health of the water immediately adjacent to the city, just through offering habitat and ensuring that there's not a dropoff at the water's edge. The big issue is ensuring that shallow-water species have a habitat, and that fish have a haven from deep-water predators. Rob, whether or not there’s flooding, there are changes that can be made at the edge of the water (especially if there is a seawall). It doesn’t look like that was within the parcel of the project, so I don’t see a problem with the building. For examples, look at the salmon habitat planned for the seawall upgrades in front of Seattle’s Olympic Sculpture Park – it’ll be the only place along the waterfront with that kind of work done, but it will offer a safer haven for a number of types of wildlife. Flooding doesn’t mean that you can’t significantly increase the health of the water immediately adjacent to the city, just through offering habitat and ensuring that there’s not a dropoff at the water’s edge. The big issue is ensuring that shallow-water species have a habitat, and that fish have a haven from deep-water predators.

]]> By: Robhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37484 Rob Thu, 01 Feb 2007 16:45:18 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37484 For the Richard Smith character who doesn't seem to understand the way this building is situated with the river. <a href="http://www.kruckewitt.com/10th_street_bypass.jpg" rel="nofollow">This picture</a> (if the comments are allowed to have a link) shows the roadway leading under the convention center after Hurricane Ivan related floods. This was an extreme situation but flooding occurs several times a year. This area of road is known as the 10th Street bypass and it is notorious for being closed due to flooding.The point here is that there is no place to put Mr. Smith's "riparian zone". For the Richard Smith character who doesn’t seem to understand the way this building is situated with the river. This picture (if the comments are allowed to have a link) shows the roadway leading under the convention center after Hurricane Ivan related floods. This was an extreme situation but flooding occurs several times a year. This area of road is known as the 10th Street bypass and it is notorious for being closed due to flooding.

The point here is that there is no place to put Mr. Smith’s “riparian zone”.

]]> By: Ben Nielsenhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37079 Ben Nielsen Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:39:26 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37079 I used to eat lunch here! well...i don't think we were supposed to, but the space shown in the first photo is a great place to sit in the sun and eat.its a lovely building but i think its having problems already logistics-wise, no downtown hotels with the capacity to allow for large conferences, and the hotels won't open until there are large conferences to provide capacity? something along those lines. I used to eat lunch here! well…i don’t think we were supposed to, but the space shown in the first photo is a great place to sit in the sun and eat.

its a lovely building but i think its having problems already logistics-wise, no downtown hotels with the capacity to allow for large conferences, and the hotels won’t open until there are large conferences to provide capacity? something along those lines.

]]> By: lindaloohttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37077 lindaloo Fri, 26 Jan 2007 21:20:20 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37077 It's great that a green convention center has been built. I complained on my website about the Colorado Convention Center, where Greenbuild was held this year. The rooms were cavernous, over-air-conditioned, no-natural-light nightmares. The best views from the convention center (of the stunning Front Range mountains) were from the parking garage. I certainly hope the cars enjoyed the great views, while the people were relegated to the VOC-stinking confines of a traditional convention center. Maybe Greenbuild will be held at the Pittsburgh Convention Center. It’s great that a green convention center has been built. I complained on my website about the Colorado Convention Center, where Greenbuild was held this year. The rooms were cavernous, over-air-conditioned, no-natural-light nightmares. The best views from the convention center (of the stunning Front Range mountains) were from the parking garage. I certainly hope the cars enjoyed the great views, while the people were relegated to the VOC-stinking confines of a traditional convention center. Maybe Greenbuild will be held at the Pittsburgh Convention Center.

]]> By: James Krapphttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37066 James Krapp Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:55:45 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37066 It's about as green as you can get in a pre-developed urban setting. The site doesn't include the space between river and building...it's an implied connection to the water. It was set on a brownfield site and there isn't a native wildlife post what has already been pushed out decades ago during the rise of the steel industry.... this place was so polluted at one point i'm shocked human could survive here post WWII. Pittsburgh has made great strides in upgrading their infrastrcuture in a environmentally conscious way. This building has been completed for awhile...why the posting now? Did it just receive it's LEED rating? It’s about as green as you can get in a pre-developed urban setting. The site doesn’t include the space between river and building…it’s an implied connection to the water.
It was set on a brownfield site and there isn’t a native wildlife post what has already been pushed out decades ago during the rise of the steel industry…. this place was so polluted at one point i’m shocked human could survive here post WWII. Pittsburgh has made great strides in upgrading their infrastrcuture in a environmentally conscious way.

This building has been completed for awhile…why the posting now? Did it just receive it’s LEED rating?

]]> By: richard smithhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-37059 richard smith Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:55:36 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-37059 You people are so negative and anti-green its sick. No one is talking protected wildlife zone. There is no riverside roadway. Its just that the riparian zone is so abundant with possibilities for the exchange of nutrients from both the terrestrial and aquatic communities, that we should pay deference to this are rather that pave it and declare it dead. You people are so negative and anti-green its sick. No one is talking protected wildlife zone. There is no riverside roadway. Its just that the riparian zone is so abundant with possibilities for the exchange of nutrients from both the terrestrial and aquatic communities, that we should pay deference to this are rather that pave it and declare it dead.

]]> By: Frankhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-36917 Frank Fri, 26 Jan 2007 01:31:22 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-36917 It's true. A protected wildlife zone right next to the riverside roadway would have been a fantastic idea. I am already imagining the crushed duckage. It’s true. A protected wildlife zone right next to the riverside roadway would have been a fantastic idea. I am already imagining the crushed duckage.

]]> By: Richard Smithhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-36832 Richard Smith Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:28:43 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-36832 Right, There are no birds flying over, or worms or insects or anything in the river, and we are gonna keep it that way! Right, There are no birds flying over, or worms or insects or anything in the river, and we are gonna keep it that way!

]]> By: Joshhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-36699 Josh Thu, 25 Jan 2007 04:38:08 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-36699 Wildlife? It's in the middle of downtown! Wildlife? It’s in the middle of downtown!

]]> By: richard smithhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/01/23/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/comment-page-1/#comment-36625 richard smith Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:28:27 +0000 http://inhabitat.com/2007/01/22/first-green-convention-center-in-pittsburgh/#comment-36625 This may be a green building, but it is not green placemet. There should be a riparian zone between the river and the building, for wildlife. too bad they couldn't think it through. This may be a green building, but it is not green placemet. There should be a riparian zone between the river and the building, for wildlife. too bad they couldn’t think it through.

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