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> <channel><title>Comments on: H&amp;M GOES ORGANIC</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:29:23 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: sazu</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-116512</link> <dc:creator>sazu</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-116512</guid> <description>I would be incredibly skeptical of any &quot;green&quot; claims H&amp;M make. I read a report which only went up to 2003 but at that point they weren&#039;t even letting workers in the *USA* form unions, let alone treating them well in Asia. Having made lots of visits doesn&#039;t mean anything&#039;s actually improved for workers; when they have submitted reports on what they&#039;re doing they&#039;re always criticised for having gaping holes in their information which they conveniently blame on IT problems, and complying with laws in native countries, even if they did that, most definitely does *not* assure that their workers are treated well - laws in most places are biased in favour of multinational companies in order to attract their business.Fancy them saying they &quot;convinced&quot; the family the child was better off in school! I&#039;ve never heard anything so ridiculous. If the family could afford to send the child to school its obvious they would have. It&#039;s nice of them to pay a fee to the family (did that fee even cover the cost of the child&#039;s schooling?) but what about all the other families that would love to do the same? As greenwash goes, paying a tiny monthly fee to one family to send the child to school is a pretty cheap way of doing it.I&#039;d love to think H&amp;M cared about more than just the bottom line as I love the clothes, but all the evidence I&#039;ve found so far suggests their one of the worst offenders and just a little better at covering it up than most. If not, they&#039;d at least be able to manage *some* external verification.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be incredibly skeptical of any &#8220;green&#8221; claims H&amp;M make. I read a report which only went up to 2003 but at that point they weren&#8217;t even letting workers in the *USA* form unions, let alone treating them well in Asia. Having made lots of visits doesn&#8217;t mean anything&#8217;s actually improved for workers; when they have submitted reports on what they&#8217;re doing they&#8217;re always criticised for having gaping holes in their information which they conveniently blame on IT problems, and complying with laws in native countries, even if they did that, most definitely does *not* assure that their workers are treated well &#8211; laws in most places are biased in favour of multinational companies in order to attract their business.</p><p>Fancy them saying they &#8220;convinced&#8221; the family the child was better off in school! I&#8217;ve never heard anything so ridiculous. If the family could afford to send the child to school its obvious they would have. It&#8217;s nice of them to pay a fee to the family (did that fee even cover the cost of the child&#8217;s schooling?) but what about all the other families that would love to do the same? As greenwash goes, paying a tiny monthly fee to one family to send the child to school is a pretty cheap way of doing it.</p><p>I&#8217;d love to think H&amp;M cared about more than just the bottom line as I love the clothes, but all the evidence I&#8217;ve found so far suggests their one of the worst offenders and just a little better at covering it up than most. If not, they&#8217;d at least be able to manage *some* external verification.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: tim</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-72842</link> <dc:creator>tim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:41:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-72842</guid> <description>the path of a thousand miles begins with one step</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the path of a thousand miles begins with one step</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jean</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-59727</link> <dc:creator>jean</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:48:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-59727</guid> <description>Engineering consent is not a good thing. Treating humans as consumers is an unfortunate by-product of the capitalist machine. But it doesn&#039;t have to be this way. We don&#039;t have to ignore our neighbors, we don&#039;t have to look just like them, we don&#039;t have to obsess over ourselves, and we don&#039;t have to put them out of business or make ourselves happy by possessing more and more things from foreign lands.What a terrifying thing for many a corporation should people become content with what they have, to know that they have all that they need, to no longer think themselves ugly, uncool, unfit, unclean, unhappy. The fear would be that we stop buying. And the machine would stop. And we could stop. And I wouldn&#039;t have to see the ugly neon lights that block out the stars.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Engineering consent is not a good thing. Treating humans as consumers is an unfortunate by-product of the capitalist machine. But it doesn&#8217;t have to be this way. We don&#8217;t have to ignore our neighbors, we don&#8217;t have to look just like them, we don&#8217;t have to obsess over ourselves, and we don&#8217;t have to put them out of business or make ourselves happy by possessing more and more things from foreign lands.</p><p>What a terrifying thing for many a corporation should people become content with what they have, to know that they have all that they need, to no longer think themselves ugly, uncool, unfit, unclean, unhappy. The fear would be that we stop buying. And the machine would stop. And we could stop. And I wouldn&#8217;t have to see the ugly neon lights that block out the stars.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Erika</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-44037</link> <dc:creator>Erika</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:30:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-44037</guid> <description>If you think critically about H&amp;M&#039; so-called &quot;corporate responsibility&quot; statement, you can see that it is deeply flawed.  In this statement, H&amp;M says that they will make sure all local laws are followed.  This is like saying Saddam Hussein was just fine and dandy because he followed all local laws.  The problem is that there are NO laws protecting labor rights, or even basic human rights, in many of these Asian countries.  So following local laws means nothing.Slavery and child labor are essentially legal in many of these countries, and slavery around the world is alive and well in 2007 because so many companies are refusing to take responsibility for their role in exploiting workers who have no rights.  I would also point to FLA Watch, http://www.flawatch.org/welcome.htm, which demonstrates that this organization, FLA, does little more than provide public relations cover for companies who use sweatshop labor.I have never set foot in an H&amp;M store and never will until they get a seal of approval from Sweatshop Watch or a similar organization.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think critically about H&amp;M&#8217; so-called &#8220;corporate responsibility&#8221; statement, you can see that it is deeply flawed.  In this statement, H&amp;M says that they will make sure all local laws are followed.  This is like saying Saddam Hussein was just fine and dandy because he followed all local laws.  The problem is that there are NO laws protecting labor rights, or even basic human rights, in many of these Asian countries.  So following local laws means nothing.</p><p>Slavery and child labor are essentially legal in many of these countries, and slavery around the world is alive and well in 2007 because so many companies are refusing to take responsibility for their role in exploiting workers who have no rights.  I would also point to FLA Watch, <a
href="http://www.flawatch.org/welcome.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.flawatch.org/welcome.htm</a>, which demonstrates that this organization, FLA, does little more than provide public relations cover for companies who use sweatshop labor.</p><p>I have never set foot in an H&amp;M store and never will until they get a seal of approval from Sweatshop Watch or a similar organization.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ann</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-42633</link> <dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:16:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-42633</guid> <description>I think anyone taking a positive step up is great... not perfection yet, but better something then nothing!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think anyone taking a positive step up is great&#8230; not perfection yet, but better something then nothing!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mar</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-40560</link> <dc:creator>Mar</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:37:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-40560</guid> <description>You don&#039;t have to look too far actually. People living just 90 miles south of Florida would be THRILLED to make $10 per day working at a factory....considering that a doctor&#039;s salary is about $20 per month... and he/she often has no option than to go clean hotel rooms, or drive a cab, in hopes of receiving anything but worthless pesos.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t have to look too far actually. People living just 90 miles south of Florida would be THRILLED to make $10 per day working at a factory&#8230;.considering that a doctor&#8217;s salary is about $20 per month&#8230; and he/she often has no option than to go clean hotel rooms, or drive a cab, in hopes of receiving anything but worthless pesos.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rosie</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-40505</link> <dc:creator>Rosie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 11:39:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-40505</guid> <description>Jill thanks for putting everyone else right regarding labour in the third world.  People who have never been there will never understand the conditions that people live in and $10 a day is a kings ransom for many.  H&amp;M can keep their products cheaper than some because they order huge quantities of every style thus keeping the factories and labour in those factories in work on a regular basis.  If you don&#039;t buy these products these people won&#039;t eat, go to school, have clean drinking water, pay for illness, look after their older family members etc let alone own an organic cotton teeshirt.Take a trip to Uganda, China, India, Sri Lanka and find out for yourselves before condemning companies offering good labour conditions and stable jobs to all these people who need them and choose them, in order to survive.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jill thanks for putting everyone else right regarding labour in the third world.  People who have never been there will never understand the conditions that people live in and $10 a day is a kings ransom for many.  H&amp;M can keep their products cheaper than some because they order huge quantities of every style thus keeping the factories and labour in those factories in work on a regular basis.  If you don&#8217;t buy these products these people won&#8217;t eat, go to school, have clean drinking water, pay for illness, look after their older family members etc let alone own an organic cotton teeshirt.</p><p>Take a trip to Uganda, China, India, Sri Lanka and find out for yourselves before condemning companies offering good labour conditions and stable jobs to all these people who need them and choose them, in order to survive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jill</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-40400</link> <dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:12:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-40400</guid> <description>Thanks Victoria for taking the time to research this and provide thoughtful commentary.  I think too often people (and commenters on this site, particularly), are really quick to rush to condemn companies that they know nothing about.To Ted - If you have evidence that H&amp;M abuses workers in their factories, we&#039;d love to hear it.  But to assume that H&amp;M engages in suspect manufacturing practices without doing any research, or without having any evidence to back up your claim, is dangerous.  Just because a company manufactures goods in developing countries where labor costs are cheaper, doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that it is exploiting its workers or engage in suspect practices.  Many companies  working overseas in this day and age make a pointed effort to engage in socially responsible business and bring economic opportunities to the countries in which they work, because they know people are watching them and it helps their brand.To Juha-  If you are from a small rural village where there is no work to come by, and the only economic opportunities for unskilled young people agricultural work, prostitution, and factory work, - you can bet that working for $10 a day in a factory is probably pretty appealing.  Factory workers choose their jobs - and usually work in factory because those jobs provide the most economic opportunity.  I&#039;m not saying that every factory is a great place to work, but H&amp;M has gotten consistently high marks for implementing high standards of worker safety and welfare at their factories:&quot;Child labor is a frequently covered subject within the company, along with other strict regulations for safety, worker’s rights, factory, housing, and the environment. H&amp;M reports that unannounced visits are made, often by a third-party organization, to ensure all policies are being followed.&quot;-Jill</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Victoria for taking the time to research this and provide thoughtful commentary.  I think too often people (and commenters on this site, particularly), are really quick to rush to condemn companies that they know nothing about.</p><p>To Ted &#8211; If you have evidence that H&#038;M abuses workers in their factories, we&#8217;d love to hear it.  But to assume that H&#038;M engages in suspect manufacturing practices without doing any research, or without having any evidence to back up your claim, is dangerous.  Just because a company manufactures goods in developing countries where labor costs are cheaper, doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that it is exploiting its workers or engage in suspect practices.  Many companies  working overseas in this day and age make a pointed effort to engage in socially responsible business and bring economic opportunities to the countries in which they work, because they know people are watching them and it helps their brand.</p><p>To Juha-  If you are from a small rural village where there is no work to come by, and the only economic opportunities for unskilled young people agricultural work, prostitution, and factory work, &#8211; you can bet that working for $10 a day in a factory is probably pretty appealing.  Factory workers choose their jobs &#8211; and usually work in factory because those jobs provide the most economic opportunity.  I&#8217;m not saying that every factory is a great place to work, but H&#038;M has gotten consistently high marks for implementing high standards of worker safety and welfare at their factories:</p><p>&#8220;Child labor is a frequently covered subject within the company, along with other strict regulations for safety, worker’s rights, factory, housing, and the environment. H&#038;M reports that unannounced visits are made, often by a third-party organization, to ensure all policies are being followed.&#8221;</p><p>-Jill</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Victoria E</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-40394</link> <dc:creator>Victoria E</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 18:03:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-40394</guid> <description>Actually, H&amp;M is completely against sweatshops, despite another of other &quot;affordable&quot; brand. I wrote an entire post about this recently: http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=898</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, H&amp;M is completely against sweatshops, despite another of other &#8220;affordable&#8221; brand. I wrote an entire post about this recently: <a
href="http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=898" rel="nofollow">http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=898</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Juha</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-40385</link> <dc:creator>Juha</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:11:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-40385</guid> <description>I&#039;m guessing the $10 a day chinese workers are delighted.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing the $10 a day chinese workers are delighted.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ted</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/comment-page-1/#comment-40381</link> <dc:creator>ted</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:01:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://inhabitat.com/2007/03/04/hm-goes-organic/#comment-40381</guid> <description>They&#039;re probably affordable because they&#039;re most likely made in sweatshops overseas. Long-range shipping is hardly sustainable, and sweatshop labor is not sustainable (or ethical)... so a bit of greenwashing is nice, but they&#039;re still getting a failing grade. If you have info on their labor practices that would be great, I really think that sort of thing should be part of your reporting practice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re probably affordable because they&#8217;re most likely made in sweatshops overseas. Long-range shipping is hardly sustainable, and sweatshop labor is not sustainable (or ethical)&#8230; so a bit of greenwashing is nice, but they&#8217;re still getting a failing grade. If you have info on their labor practices that would be great, I really think that sort of thing should be part of your reporting practice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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