Comments on: GREEN YOUR APPLIANCES! Dishwashers http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/ Future-forward design for the world you inhabit Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:34:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: robmiller7http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-109757 robmiller7 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:13:12 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-109757 When I fill a dishwasher, it takes about two days worth of dishes or so. This saves doing a hand-wash twice a day etc. so the figures quoted are accumulative for water used, ie. 4 basins full compared to one dishwasher cycle. When I fill a dishwasher, it takes about two days worth of dishes or so. This saves doing a hand-wash twice a day etc. so the figures quoted are accumulative for water used, ie. 4 basins full compared to one dishwasher cycle.

]]> By: Dishwashers Articles » Blog Archive » GREEN YOUR APPLIANCES! Dishwashershttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-61879 Dishwashers Articles » Blog Archive » GREEN YOUR APPLIANCES! Dishwashers Wed, 28 Nov 2007 04:29:53 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-61879 [...] Original post by Jennifer [...] [...] Original post by Jennifer [...]

]]> By: Skepticalhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-55082 Skeptical Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:45:38 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-55082 The dishwasher might use less WATER than hand washing if someone uses copious amounts of water (I don't). The study which is usually cited was not peer-reviewed and assumed people used a lot of water.Regardless, this doesn’t factor in the energy and water used in mining the metals, getting the metals to the factory, pollution caused by the factory (differs across countries), energy used in manufacturing the parts of the dishwasher, pollution and energy involved in manufacturing plastic and vinyl aspects of the dishwasher, and energy involved in shipping the dishwasher to the show room, your house, running the dishwasher, and sending the dishwasher to the dump (and the environmental cost of the parts which won’t degrade for 10s of thousands of years). The dishwasher might use less WATER than hand washing if someone uses copious amounts of water (I don’t). The study which is usually cited was not peer-reviewed and assumed people used a lot of water.

Regardless, this doesn’t factor in the energy and water used in mining the metals, getting the metals to the factory, pollution caused by the factory (differs across countries), energy used in manufacturing the parts of the dishwasher, pollution and energy involved in manufacturing plastic and vinyl aspects of the dishwasher, and energy involved in shipping the dishwasher to the show room, your house, running the dishwasher, and sending the dishwasher to the dump (and the environmental cost of the parts which won’t degrade for 10s of thousands of years).

]]> By: Robin Fisherhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-55047 Robin Fisher Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:38:46 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-55047 The suspicious are correct! The research did not prove the efficiency of dishwashers, it proved the inefficiency of some people. I read the report and it said that the worst offenders would leave the hot tap running freely in a second sink to rinse! The test was also not a 'real' simulation. It used a European testing standard that all dishwasher manufacturers use to benchmark their products. This standard specifies a certain number of items, with a certain level of soiling. It is a very tough test. The point being, a dishwasher will not get it all off, but the tester can see how close they got. Therefore, the humans in the test, would have tried extra hard to clean the plates, using more water/energy, while the dishwashers simply run through their program regardless. The suspicious are correct!
The research did not prove the efficiency of dishwashers, it proved the inefficiency of some people. I read the report and it said that the worst offenders would leave the hot tap running freely in a second sink to rinse! The test was also not a ‘real’ simulation. It used a European testing standard that all dishwasher manufacturers use to benchmark their products. This standard specifies a certain number of items, with a certain level of soiling. It is a very tough test. The point being, a dishwasher will not get it all off, but the tester can see how close they got. Therefore, the humans in the test, would have tried extra hard to clean the plates, using more water/energy, while the dishwashers simply run through their program regardless.

]]> By: Eran E.http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-55002 Eran E. Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:43:49 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-55002 Hey people. Watch carefully! The article was sponsored by Bosch! Strange results they achieved from their inquieries. How on earth can one spend 27 gallons of water on one dish-wash by hand? At my home we use less then 2 gallons a day! Heated by gas, which is about three times as efficient than electrical heating. Allright, the washing costs some more time. But you can have a great talk when doing it together, which you are not likely to have when turning on the television (if that is what you would be doing in stead of manualy washing the dishes). So the manual dishwash doesn't only save water and energy, it might also save your mariage. The only thing to mind carefully is to fill the sink, instead of having the water running away continuasly, cause that might indeed one day lead to a waste of 27 gallons per dish-wash...... Hey people. Watch carefully! The article was sponsored by Bosch! Strange results they achieved from their inquieries. How on earth can one spend 27 gallons of water on one dish-wash by hand? At my home we use less then 2 gallons a day! Heated by gas, which is about three times as efficient than electrical heating. Allright, the washing costs some more time. But you can have a great talk when doing it together, which you are not likely to have when turning on the television (if that is what you would be doing in stead of manualy washing the dishes). So the manual dishwash doesn’t only save water and energy, it might also save your mariage. The only thing to mind carefully is to fill the sink, instead of having the water running away continuasly, cause that might indeed one day lead to a waste of 27 gallons per dish-wash……

]]> By: amy b.http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-52298 amy b. Thu, 06 Sep 2007 02:08:52 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-52298 I try to run my dishwasher when I am around so that I can stop it once it gets to the dry cycle. Using that extra heat is a complete waste of energy (not to mention how it just adds to the already unbearable summer heat!), and dishes can dry just fine on their own at room temperature. I highly recommend this, and I read somewhere that it cuts dishwasher energy consumption in half -- not so sure about that, but it obviously cuts some of it. I try to run my dishwasher when I am around so that I can stop it once it gets to the dry cycle. Using that extra heat is a complete waste of energy (not to mention how it just adds to the already unbearable summer heat!), and dishes can dry just fine on their own at room temperature. I highly recommend this, and I read somewhere that it cuts dishwasher energy consumption in half — not so sure about that, but it obviously cuts some of it.

]]> By: Hun Boonhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-52067 Hun Boon Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:18:36 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-52067 I'm not sure how the calculations are done, or whether they are sponsored by a dishwasher manufacturer:The dishwasher is only efficient with full loads. But most people won't use it that way, they will wash as and when there are dirty dishes. So wouldn't it be more wasteful in the real world? I’m not sure how the calculations are done, or whether they are sponsored by a dishwasher manufacturer:

The dishwasher is only efficient with full loads. But most people won’t use it that way, they will wash as and when there are dirty dishes. So wouldn’t it be more wasteful in the real world?

]]> By: Curtishttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51873 Curtis Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:21:53 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51873 How could anyone use 27 gallons to wash thier dishes by hand, that is more than 100 litres, that is more water than will fit in both my sinks, I think this number is ridiculous. I have a relatively new frigidaire dishwasher but wash all my dishes by hand with less than 20 litres of water and only when I have generated a sinkful of dishes and I air dry... how can any dishwasher compare with that??? How could anyone use 27 gallons to wash thier dishes by hand, that is more than 100 litres, that is more water than will fit in both my sinks, I think this number is ridiculous. I have a relatively new frigidaire dishwasher but wash all my dishes by hand with less than 20 litres of water and only when I have generated a sinkful of dishes and I air dry… how can any dishwasher compare with that???

]]> By: Rebeccahttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51860 Rebecca Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:39:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51860 I have a Danby countertop dishwasher. It only cost me $160 on Amazon. It plugs into the tap on my sink, and then empties the dirty water into it as well. It leaks on occasion, and you have to clean the filter regularly. And admittedly, doesn't get the dishes as clean as with the larger varietals, but hey, it fits in my little NYC apt. quite nicely. I have a Danby countertop dishwasher. It only cost me $160 on Amazon. It plugs into the tap on my sink, and then empties the dirty water into it as well. It leaks on occasion, and you have to clean the filter regularly. And admittedly, doesn’t get the dishes as clean as with the larger varietals, but hey, it fits in my little NYC apt. quite nicely.

]]> By: Kimhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51847 Kim Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:49:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51847 dishwasher drawers: http://www.fisherpaykel.com/dishwashing/ expensive, about $1500 (per drawer) but very nice-of course-know someone with two--one on either side fo sink--loves it--can do 1 load or use both when entertaining--fill one while other runs. in sink: kitchenaid http://www.kitchenaid.com/catalog/product.jsp?src=briva++in-sink+dishwasher&cat=967&prod=625 even more expensive, $1879, but it is also a sink... no mention of Energy Star on either site page. dishwasher drawers:
http://www.fisherpaykel.com/dishwashing/
expensive, about $1500 (per drawer) but very nice-of course-know someone with two–one on either side fo sink–loves it–can do 1 load or use both when entertaining–fill one while other runs.
in sink: kitchenaid
http://www.kitchenaid.com/catalog/product.jsp?src=briva++in-sink+dishwasher&cat=967&prod=625
even more expensive, $1879, but it is also a sink…
no mention of Energy Star on either site page.

]]> By: Thomhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51793 Thom Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:42:08 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51793 Could you also provide a link to North American (Canada) distributors of European dishwashers. I've seen a sink/dishwasher that can serve as both so It doesn't take up any room and it's supposed to be super quiet. Could you also provide a link to North American (Canada) distributors of European dishwashers. I’ve seen a sink/dishwasher that can serve as both so It doesn’t take up any room and it’s supposed to be super quiet.

]]> By: Chagri Lamahttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51783 Chagri Lama Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:23:29 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51783 I like the article and it has great information. Thank you.One (tongue-in-cheek) question though: early in the article there is mention of "water verses". I want to know more about this form of poetry ... I like the article and it has great information. Thank you.

One (tongue-in-cheek) question though: early in the article there is mention of “water verses”. I want to know more about this form of poetry …

]]> By: Franciscohttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51781 Francisco Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:52:29 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51781 thank you so much for this info. I had no idea that Europe's eco-effiiency was mandatory. That's great!I was wondering if you could provide a list of American Dishwasher makers that are the most eco-friendly.Also, for people who live in small apts in cities like NY, I've heard there exists a small half-load dishwasher that can fit under your sink. Perfect for a 1 to 2 room apt. I've been looking for that but can't seem to find it.thanks! -Francisco from Brooklyn thank you so much for this info. I had no idea that Europe’s eco-effiiency was mandatory. That’s great!

I was wondering if you could provide a list of American Dishwasher makers that are the most eco-friendly.

Also, for people who live in small apts in cities like NY, I’ve heard there exists a small half-load dishwasher that can fit under your sink. Perfect for a 1 to 2 room apt. I’ve been looking for that but can’t seem to find it.

thanks!
-Francisco from Brooklyn

]]> By: minxljhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/comment-page-1/#comment-51776 minxlj Wed, 29 Aug 2007 11:37:09 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/08/29/summer-series-green-dishwashers/#comment-51776 14 gallons of water used in an American model versus 4 gallons here in Europe? Why? Come on American manufacturers/designers/consumers, there is absolutely no reason for that.I had no idea that European dishwashers were so much different - I'm shocked and appalled that companies would knowingly waste so much water when there has clearly been a solution. If that alone is such a massive difference, what on earth are they wasting with their washing machines, showers, swimming pools!? 14 gallons of water used in an American model versus 4 gallons here in Europe? Why? Come on American manufacturers/designers/consumers, there is absolutely no reason for that.

I had no idea that European dishwashers were so much different – I’m shocked and appalled that companies would knowingly waste so much water when there has clearly been a solution. If that alone is such a massive difference, what on earth are they wasting with their washing machines, showers, swimming pools!?

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