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> <channel><title>Comments on: TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Mass Tram America</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:39:06 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Craig Barnes</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-65834</link> <dc:creator>Craig Barnes</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:03:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-65834</guid> <description>I would like to know more about it.  Disney did this in the 60&#039;s and its still a good idea.  I would like to know the cost of a project.  How do I find out more.  Please contact me.  Craig</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know more about it.  Disney did this in the 60&#8217;s and its still a good idea.  I would like to know the cost of a project.  How do I find out more.  Please contact me.  Craig</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-61640</link> <dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:55:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-61640</guid> <description>I agree with Ben. Why re-invent the wheel? The technology is call the &quot;train&quot; and the US needs to start playing catch-up with Japan and the EU on it.  It&#039;s a damn shame, too, considering we were once the land which contributed greatly to advances in passenger rail</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ben. Why re-invent the wheel? The technology is call the &#8220;train&#8221; and the US needs to start playing catch-up with Japan and the EU on it.  It&#8217;s a damn shame, too, considering we were once the land which contributed greatly to advances in passenger rail</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ergyad.Com &#187; TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Mass Tram America</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57786</link> <dc:creator>Ergyad.Com &#187; TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Mass Tram America</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 19:27:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57786</guid> <description>[...] wrote an interesting post today on TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Mass Tram AmericaHere&#8217;s a quick [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] wrote an interesting post today on TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Mass Tram AmericaHere&#8217;s a quick [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Malin</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57408</link> <dc:creator>Malin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:29:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57408</guid> <description>&quot;It is very likely that switching to commuter mass transit (even one using renewable energy) could lead to worse air quality rather than better.&quot;If the transit only went from place A to place B and didn&#039;t branch out into all the other places where it would be useful that would be the case, A functional mass transportation system needs to go to all the other places too, then people can get rid of their cars.
Here in Gothenburg where we have a well developed communal transit system it&#039;s very easy to stop by at a mall or other commercal center on the way home (or to work) and buy whetever it is needed. The system utilizes a combination of buses in various sizes, trams and boats. Some rarely trafficked lines are on demand- IE you make a call and let them know you want to go along that line an hour in advance. The system can be improved, I don&#039;t deny that, but it still enables us to go almost anywhere within the city.We actually sold our car since we used it so rarely the brakes rusted. We take the tram every other week to a larger grocery store and buy food in bulk. Greens, breads and the like is purchased at a local store between the tram stop and our home or picked up downtown before heading home. Clothes, electonics etc are bought downtown or at one of the local malls. All travels to work/school and to friends are done with the trams and/or busses. I pay an equivalent to 150 USD  (1065 SEK) every three months for the busspass which allows me unlimited travel day and nighttime on all lines within the centre zone. Which is huge and includes all the places I want to go.
The only time when we still need a car is when we go to IKEA to buy furniture. :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is very likely that switching to commuter mass transit (even one using renewable energy) could lead to worse air quality rather than better.&#8221;</p><p>If the transit only went from place A to place B and didn&#8217;t branch out into all the other places where it would be useful that would be the case, A functional mass transportation system needs to go to all the other places too, then people can get rid of their cars.</p><p>Here in Gothenburg where we have a well developed communal transit system it&#8217;s very easy to stop by at a mall or other commercal center on the way home (or to work) and buy whetever it is needed. The system utilizes a combination of buses in various sizes, trams and boats. Some rarely trafficked lines are on demand- IE you make a call and let them know you want to go along that line an hour in advance. The system can be improved, I don&#8217;t deny that, but it still enables us to go almost anywhere within the city.</p><p>We actually sold our car since we used it so rarely the brakes rusted. We take the tram every other week to a larger grocery store and buy food in bulk. Greens, breads and the like is purchased at a local store between the tram stop and our home or picked up downtown before heading home. Clothes, electonics etc are bought downtown or at one of the local malls. All travels to work/school and to friends are done with the trams and/or busses. I pay an equivalent to 150 USD  (1065 SEK) every three months for the busspass which allows me unlimited travel day and nighttime on all lines within the centre zone. Which is huge and includes all the places I want to go.<br
/> The only time when we still need a car is when we go to IKEA to buy furniture. :)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel Rehn&#8217;s Reblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mass Tram America</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57125</link> <dc:creator>Daniel Rehn&#8217;s Reblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Mass Tram America</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 05:51:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57125</guid> <description>[...] Mass Tram America  Traveling to work in an old airplane shell powered by renewable energy sound little bonkers to you? Ben Missler from Mass Tram America thinks not, and has applied such principles to the design of a new and very green large-scale transportation system. Instead of your typical mass transit system, he has proposed one which runs entirely on renewable resources, and uses decommissioned airplane fuselages as Tram cars. A lofty goal indeed, but Missler claims it could all be built today with off the shelf technology. (more…) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mass Tram America  Traveling to work in an old airplane shell powered by renewable energy sound little bonkers to you? Ben Missler from Mass Tram America thinks not, and has applied such principles to the design of a new and very green large-scale transportation system. Instead of your typical mass transit system, he has proposed one which runs entirely on renewable resources, and uses decommissioned airplane fuselages as Tram cars. A lofty goal indeed, but Missler claims it could all be built today with off the shelf technology. (more…) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57101</link> <dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:17:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57101</guid> <description>Let me put it this way: Those wiry support structures are not off the shelf technology. The single overhead rail concept is not off the shelf technology. If you want off the shelf technology (and well understood construction costs), just give some support to a project like the California High Speed Rail Project - a government agency with partial engineering already done on a SF-LA (and points between) system at 360kph. That&#039;s faster than any current long distance passenger service - the TGV Est in France comes close at 320kph, and the Shanghai Airport Maglev is faster, but short and much more expensive.It&#039;s not the technology that&#039;s the problem! The real costs are in right-of-way, and have *nothing* to do with the technology. The reason we don&#039;t have high speed intercity rail is political, and can only change when we&#039;ve first built out urban systems where we *do* have potential for political support.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me put it this way: Those wiry support structures are not off the shelf technology. The single overhead rail concept is not off the shelf technology. If you want off the shelf technology (and well understood construction costs), just give some support to a project like the California High Speed Rail Project &#8211; a government agency with partial engineering already done on a SF-LA (and points between) system at 360kph. That&#8217;s faster than any current long distance passenger service &#8211; the TGV Est in France comes close at 320kph, and the Shanghai Airport Maglev is faster, but short and much more expensive.</p><p>It&#8217;s not the technology that&#8217;s the problem! The real costs are in right-of-way, and have *nothing* to do with the technology. The reason we don&#8217;t have high speed intercity rail is political, and can only change when we&#8217;ve first built out urban systems where we *do* have potential for political support.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bryce</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57100</link> <dc:creator>Bryce</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57100</guid> <description>Outside of a few large cities in the US that already have significant mass transit, I don&#039;t see it taking off across most of the US. Even something like Mass Tram would be very expensive to build initially, and ridership won&#039;t materialize unless it can offer a combination of speed and convenience that cannot be matched by a car. At the end of the day, Americans love their cars. They may hate commuting in them, but they aren&#039;t giving up their cars. They aren&#039;t going to just let them sit either unless it&#039;s too much of a hassle to use them, or there is a significantly easier, faster, and less expensive way to take care of daily commuting.We also need to be very careful about what we wish for. Mass transit commuting seems like a great idea, until you consider that people are still going to use their cars for grocery shopping and other short trips around town. Many people now combine those trips into their commute, but if they cannot do that easily, they will take their cars out after work to run a 10 mile errand trip with several stops. It&#039;s hard for a car to warm up to its operating temperature under those driving conditions. Below the operating temperature of the engine and catalytic converter is when a car emits the most pollution. It is very likely that switching to commuter mass transit (even one using renewable energy) could lead to worse air quality rather than better.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Outside of a few large cities in the US that already have significant mass transit, I don&#8217;t see it taking off across most of the US. Even something like Mass Tram would be very expensive to build initially, and ridership won&#8217;t materialize unless it can offer a combination of speed and convenience that cannot be matched by a car. At the end of the day, Americans love their cars. They may hate commuting in them, but they aren&#8217;t giving up their cars. They aren&#8217;t going to just let them sit either unless it&#8217;s too much of a hassle to use them, or there is a significantly easier, faster, and less expensive way to take care of daily commuting.</p><p>We also need to be very careful about what we wish for. Mass transit commuting seems like a great idea, until you consider that people are still going to use their cars for grocery shopping and other short trips around town. Many people now combine those trips into their commute, but if they cannot do that easily, they will take their cars out after work to run a 10 mile errand trip with several stops. It&#8217;s hard for a car to warm up to its operating temperature under those driving conditions. Below the operating temperature of the engine and catalytic converter is when a car emits the most pollution. It is very likely that switching to commuter mass transit (even one using renewable energy) could lead to worse air quality rather than better.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ponyboy</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57099</link> <dc:creator>ponyboy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:04:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57099</guid> <description>http://www.skytran.net/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href="http://www.skytran.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.skytran.net/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ben Schiendelman</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57098</link> <dc:creator>Ben Schiendelman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 00:03:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57098</guid> <description>Why on earth is this getting reposted? It&#039;s worse than maglev fanatics.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why on earth is this getting reposted? It&#8217;s worse than maglev fanatics.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JAMES GEDDES</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/comment-page-1/#comment-57092</link> <dc:creator>JAMES GEDDES</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:49:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/10/23/mass-tram-america-mass-transit-dream-for-the-future/#comment-57092</guid> <description>I make it happen, what a great idea, re-uusing fuselages
instead of destroying them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I make it happen, what a great idea, re-uusing fuselages<br
/> instead of destroying them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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