Comments on: TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Chocolate powered biodiesel

By: Jac

Jac — Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:42:35 +0000

I’m not a supporter of biodiesel, so what that it cuts the reliance on petrol. It’s also driving inflation of all foods, making the poor feel poorer. While it’s not exactly something we can control, it is happening.

By: Rich

Rich — Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:23:31 +0000

To the naysayers:
Anyone (like the chocolate people above) who has any idea (actually a very clever idea) , any energy (mental and physical) to apply to the challenges, any hope, any optimism, any care about their planet and humankind should be lauded and supported. These people are thinkers and dooers whilst the critics do absolutely nothing but smoke polluting pipes and ‘judge’ others hard work and hope.
My opinion is “if you ain’t doin’ the work, you have no opinion.!” Keep it up!
I personally will make my own biodiesel and try to eliminate unnecessary travel, use my bicycle as much as possible, and waste not lighting, or other stuff. I have a child and he no doubt will have children as well. I am doing this all for them and myself.

By: Kyle

Kyle — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:11:32 +0000

Your website supports many info on biodisel. My class is working on biodisel information. Ty

By: Itzelh A.

Itzelh A. — Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:15:05 +0000

hiya!Thats really cool in what you did to help the UK!I hope you do more like that!Well byebye!

By: Hypography Science Forums - What plants might be grown, just for bio-fuel?

Hypography Science Forums - What plants might be grown, just for bio-fuel? — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:30:24 +0000

[...] Chocolate is a guilty pleasure for some, but could soon prove highly nutritious � for your car! Thanks to a process created by British company Ecotec, it is now possible to take waste chocolate from confectionery companies and turn it into biodiesel. And to prove that it works, two British adventurers just completed a trek on a chocolate powered truck that went all the way from Europe to Timbuktu! Inhabitat � TRANSPORTATION TUESDAY: Chocolate powered biodiesel [...]

By: Richie

Richie — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:29:42 +0000

Hi Folks,

The deleted links are: renu.citizenre.com (put an http:// in front of that)

and: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2007/dec/29/solarpower.renewableenergy

Yours truly in energy independence,

Richie

By: Richie

Richie — Thu, 03 Jan 2008 00:25:29 +0000

Hi Folks, thanks for all your interesting points. Richie here… again.

In talking over a possible solar panel/wind turbine system for a house in the tropics… I came to the conclusion that a 2 staged process makes sense. Stage 1… is buy an inverter and battery packs, so that regular grid supplied electricity can keep a battery powered backup system ‘online’. Step 2… is add wind generator & controller, and solar elements & controller. However… maybe the rental, not purchase, model of: will offset the costs ?

If the citizenre thing kicks in, the whole package could be online for less than $10K… and when the ‘NanoSolar’ stuff hits, it will get even cheaper. Low cost Wind and Solar is here now. And it’s getting better faster.

See:

Interesting times. Maybe we’re having a ‘bottom up’ evolution ? I hope so.

Don’t forget that it takes POWER to process coffee grounds, chocolate waste and whatever into biodiesel. Just how realistic and cost effective is biodiesel from garbage really ? Brazil cultivates millions of acres of sugar cane to create their biodiesel ? As a crop, Sugar Cane REALLY screws up the soil… And the vast cleared areas of land that Brazil is using to grow all that sugar cane IS THE RAINFOREST !!!!!!

When you pay $90K for Tesla Roadster electric sports car which whips Ferrari butt from 0-60 and then some… adding 10K for a solar wind system at the homestead, to power the abode and charge the car, seems eminently doable. Okay… first a $90K roadster… then the $30K family vehicle follows. First… expensive wind and solar systems… then cheaper and better ones come to the fore.

It’s happening now ! It’s here. Electric vehicles are poised to take over.

Biodeisel seems an oddity at best.

Richie

By: barnaby

barnaby — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 22:51:31 +0000

Biodiesel is definitely not the answer. as much as it pains most people, personal automobiles will never be the answer. the interconnectivity between town centers and efficient methods of commuting while trying to avoid the necessity of commuting are far more important that creating a car that doesn’t kill us as fast.

By: gwen

gwen — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 19:22:52 +0000

I think the point was that they converted waste into fuel– not that biodiesel is the answer to all our woes. This is much better than letting those waste products go unused. I don’t think electric at this point is the complete answer. We need to make the changes that we are currently able to make and look to an clean electric future.

By: Meredith

Meredith — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:52:13 +0000

Are you kidding? Biodiesel, which turns WASTE into fuel, is perfectly viable as an ALTERNATIVE. Does anyone have illusions that this will become the mainstay of automobile technology? The biggest problem is that it still emits carbon dioxide…just like your precious electric cars.

Electric cars are only as clean as your grid, and that ain’t that clean. But I guess maybe you aren’t in Texas.

By: Christopher P.

Christopher P. — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:46:45 +0000

Richie:
Biodiesel is not “the answer” — BUT it is a part of an overall transition strategy. To get from “here” to “there”, so to speak, with technological changes, we also have to include time, human energy and cost of capital diversion. Technology isn’t just the nuts and bolts, its the socio-economic system. So-called “industrial revolutions” are decades and generations in the making. The same amount of kilocalories have to be expended in transportation to accommode the world population. While we are managing the transition to mid-scale electrical generation, power-grid expansion, and transportation system upgrade, and simultaneously working through the coal natural gas, and nuclear conundrums (where is the electricity coming from and how will it be distributed?), we have to be cleaning up and decommissioning the petroleum-based system we already have in place, while it is in on-going use. THAT is where biodiesel has a niche purpose. We can’t sit around starving, twiddling our thumbs or navel-gazing while the electric alternative is being developed.

On the other hand, the Willy Wonkamobile is another “meet cute” attention-grabber on which “Inhabitat” editors seem to perpetually fixate. Your point about repurposing cacao/chocolate “waste” for LOCAL purposes is spot-on. Driving to Timbuktu and back, to prove we can commute to London riding on our Godiva Chocolates pony (and pay the congestion impact fees), in the name of “carbon offsets” (see the expedition’s webpage) is whimsical at best. What the Inhabitat editors failed to focus on was the “repurposing” concept of the expedition. How many zany projects by well-meaning First-Worlders need to be “offset” in order to transform the economy of Mali through carbon neutral practices? How to avoid the grand Ponzi scheme of “trickle down economics” that carbon-offsets are apparently becoming?

By: Asa

Asa — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:24:58 +0000

TO reply to the comment above:

Electricity is not IT, at least not today anyways. The technology is not thier yet in terms of infastructure and so forth. Look over a century we have been JUNKIES hooked on oil. Kickin such a habit and pradigm shift is not happening over night. We need an immediate short term solution of somesort

the fact that they can derive MORE biodiesel from some waste other then veggie oils is great! If they can somehow now squezze ethanol or Bio Diesel out of spent coffee grounds we can cover even more of the gap.

This type of tech can help fill the void between this age (gas, steel) and the next(electricity, Carbon Fiber). This is putting the glass half full not half empty. This is good news!

By: Richie

Richie — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:55:34 +0000

Why give props to an out and out publicity stunt ?

Bio-Deisel has never been the answer. When correctly cost accounted for… inclusive of the costs of cultivation, transportation and processing of the bio-mass ‘fuel’ ingredients… it’s highly ‘expensive’. Too much acreage is required for Bio-desiel as well.

Why can’t people get it that Electric cars and trucks are IT ?

I seem to recall that ‘inhabitat’ ran an article recently about an Electric Bus being tested somewhere. Well, if the drive trains of Electric Buses can work, Electric Trucks are pretty similar in that regard.

The recent breakthrough with the new product ‘NanoSolar’, indicates that these ‘NanoSolar’ panels produce electricity at an identical cost to coal. This is a serious breakthrough. Check: http://www.solarjoules.com (2nd article down)

Bio-Deisel might have a very minor place in the scheme of things, but Electric cars and trucks are the answer.

And why can’t the chocolate manufacturers repurpose their ‘waste’ within their own production systems ? What is chocolate but cocoa butter, cocoa powder, sweetener, milk and flavorings ? Where’s the waste there ? What waste ?

Richie