Comments on: Hot Swedes Use Body Heat to Heat Train Station http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/ Future-forward design for the world you inhabit Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:34:26 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Alexhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-67446 Alex Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:28:37 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-67446 Useful heat transfer from sweltering underground tube lines? Why stop at the stations? Useful heat transfer from sweltering underground tube lines? Why stop at the stations?

]]> By: Damonhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-67372 Damon Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:12:46 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-67372 I think I've answered my own question....because the thermal storage capacity of air is very low the wamred air would have to be coninually extracted and used straight away. The water exchange method has much greater thermal storage capacity and the fluid can be used at a later time for heating other areas. I think I’ve answered my own question….because the thermal storage capacity of air is very low the wamred air would have to be coninually extracted and used straight away. The water exchange method has much greater thermal storage capacity and the fluid can be used at a later time for heating other areas.

]]> By: Damonhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-67361 Damon Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:36:33 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-67361 Why do they try to transfer the heat to the water system? Why not duct the (filtered) hot air directly to where it's needed in the other buildings? Why do they try to transfer the heat to the water system? Why not duct the (filtered) hot air directly to where it’s needed in the other buildings?

]]> By: beandhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-67322 beand Wed, 16 Jan 2008 18:31:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-67322 @sam: come on sam, you don't have to come up with thermodynamics. that's not why this concept may not work.. @sam:
come on sam, you don’t have to come up with thermodynamics. that’s not why this concept may not work..

]]> By: Emmahttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-67298 Emma Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:32:45 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-67298 What happens on the days when people dont use the trains but stay in hotels? Like Christmas day? What happens on the days when people dont use the trains but stay in hotels? Like Christmas day?

]]> By: Johanhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-67290 Johan Wed, 16 Jan 2008 15:45:38 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-67290 This is great, it is usually the "simple" things that works, almost like the virtual world and if not gathering the heat out of travellers replacing travels all together with collaboration services. Some organisations are really looking into to this www.genesys.com/uk/green This is great, it is usually the “simple” things that works, almost like the virtual world and if not gathering the heat out of travellers replacing travels all together with collaboration services. Some organisations are really looking into to this http://www.genesys.com/uk/green

]]> By: Nick Simpsonhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66833 Nick Simpson Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:37:32 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66833 Hey John, you might be right, but those technologies are often the best ones... As for Danijela, I'm not sure what you're advocating, but hey, in for a penny... Hey John, you might be right, but those technologies are often the best ones… As for Danijela, I’m not sure what you’re advocating, but hey, in for a penny…

]]> By: Samhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66828 Sam Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:03:44 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66828 Well, thanks to those who clarified what is actually being done. Unfortunately, the reporting in this post is entirely misleading... despite explicit wording to the contrary, the train station is being *cooled*, not heated. And a single mention that the station is too hot year-round (although it sounds like this is largely due to solar gain rather than people) would have made things a lot clearer.Otherwise, it just sounds like what Danijela said, using the energy of "love, power and emotions". Real advances come from ideas grounded in science, not just good vibes. It would be great to see some more scientific information in these posts.And that's awesome that the Mall of America doesn't have a central heating system... I didn't know that. It's huge but also not a high rise, and that's probably part of the reason it works; lots of volume relative to surface area.(Oh, and "You can't win" comes from the facetious Ginsberg's Theorem: http://hfreeman.wordpress.com/2006/12/24/3/ The point is that you can't just create energy and "win", despite the way that much popular reporting makes it sound. It's all coming from somewhere else.) Well, thanks to those who clarified what is actually being done. Unfortunately, the reporting in this post is entirely misleading… despite explicit wording to the contrary, the train station is being *cooled*, not heated. And a single mention that the station is too hot year-round (although it sounds like this is largely due to solar gain rather than people) would have made things a lot clearer.

Otherwise, it just sounds like what Danijela said, using the energy of “love, power and emotions”. Real advances come from ideas grounded in science, not just good vibes. It would be great to see some more scientific information in these posts.

And that’s awesome that the Mall of America doesn’t have a central heating system… I didn’t know that. It’s huge but also not a high rise, and that’s probably part of the reason it works; lots of volume relative to surface area.

(Oh, and “You can’t win” comes from the facetious Ginsberg’s Theorem: http://hfreeman.wordpress.com/2006/12/24/3/ The point is that you can’t just create energy and “win”, despite the way that much popular reporting makes it sound. It’s all coming from somewhere else.)

]]> By: Jamiehttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66785 Jamie Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:55:09 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66785 Yeah, you're right Sam, they are probably blowing their money without doing any research. Yeah, you’re right Sam, they are probably blowing their money without doing any research.

]]> By: Danijela Brunettehttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66779 Danijela Brunette Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:57:20 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66779 ~KISSING STATION~ Let's use energy of love, power of emotions :)! If everybody kiss in station ---> enough energy for two buildings? ;) ~KISSING STATION~
Let’s use energy of love, power of emotions :)!
If everybody kiss in station —> enough energy for two buildings? ;)

]]> By: Johnhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66774 John Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:38:31 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66774 This technology is as old as warm blooded mammals. Hardly revolutionary. This technology is as old as warm blooded mammals. Hardly revolutionary.

]]> By: Fredhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66769 Fred Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:54:19 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66769 Obviously, the passangers moving through the train station warms up the place more than needed. So instead of using a cooling system to get the temperature down, they transport the heat to the next building. Clever indeed. Obviously, the passangers moving through the train station warms up the place more than needed. So instead of using a cooling system to get the temperature down, they transport the heat to the next building. Clever indeed.

]]> By: Famer Joehttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66768 Famer Joe Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:25:26 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66768 @Sam Do you realize that these guys are probably not playing around and have probably done calculations to see if this will work or not? @Sam
Do you realize that these guys are probably not playing around and have probably done calculations to see if this will work or not?

]]> By: Carlhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66764 Carl Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:41:10 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66764 I actually live in stockholm and while I must say that it's a nice enough idea I think it's more of PR thingy and crazy *what-if-idea* than anything else. It could probably be made to work but then you'd have to insulate the entire train station very well. Because I don't think it's very well isolated today, it never needed to be... it's warm anyway.But what we're talking about is basically advanced solutions on how to heat or cool air with exiting ait before it enters a building, heat exchangers and insulation and so forth. I actually live in stockholm and while I must say that it’s a nice enough idea I think it’s more of PR thingy and crazy *what-if-idea* than anything else. It could probably be made to work but then you’d have to insulate the entire train station very well. Because I don’t think it’s very well isolated today, it never needed to be… it’s warm anyway.

But what we’re talking about is basically advanced solutions on how to heat or cool air with exiting ait before it enters a building, heat exchangers and insulation and so forth.

]]> By: ukerhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/comment-page-1/#comment-66761 uker Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:29:34 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/01/13/hot-swedes-will-use-body-heat-to-heat-train-station/#comment-66761 That s a good idea if can be practical. I suggest whether the station can be covered maximum to prevent heat loss. That s a good idea if can be practical. I suggest whether the station can be covered maximum to prevent heat loss.

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