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> <channel><title>Comments on: Generate Energy with Fluxxlab&#8217;s &#8216;Revolution&#8217; Revolving Door</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:00:12 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: blessenergy</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-149680</link> <dc:creator>blessenergy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:18:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-149680</guid> <description>Dear Sirs,Would it be nice to have these kinetic doors or revolving entrances build in at the gates of our holy Mecca ! there are more than 5 Million people entering and leaving 5 gates each year. I would guess that each gate can let in 20 people to enter and exit same time. That is a produce huge kinetic and blessed energy !
any suggestion how to introduce this idea to the authorities ?regards
Waleed Yousuf</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sirs,</p><p>Would it be nice to have these kinetic doors or revolving entrances build in at the gates of our holy Mecca ! there are more than 5 Million people entering and leaving 5 gates each year. I would guess that each gate can let in 20 people to enter and exit same time. That is a produce huge kinetic and blessed energy !<br
/> any suggestion how to introduce this idea to the authorities ?</p><p>regards<br
/> Waleed Yousuf</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GXR Reaper</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-81707</link> <dc:creator>GXR Reaper</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 10:11:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-81707</guid> <description>Can some one post what the main parts are worth
Cheers zach</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can some one post what the main parts are worth<br
/> Cheers zach</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: If you haven&#8217;t heard about it, somewhere they hooked up some stuf&#8230; &#124; Susuto</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-78241</link> <dc:creator>If you haven&#8217;t heard about it, somewhere they hooked up some stuf&#8230; &#124; Susuto</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 18:25:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-78241</guid> <description>[...] http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energ &#8230; [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a
href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energ" rel="nofollow">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energ</a> &#8230; [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: brotherbear</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-77824</link> <dc:creator>brotherbear</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:19:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-77824</guid> <description>I&#039;m really interested in the generator itself how much electricity can it produse if you put it on a windmill?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really interested in the generator itself how much electricity can it produse if you put it on a windmill?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LG Blog &#187; As one door closes&#8230; a light bulb grows bright?</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-76074</link> <dc:creator>LG Blog &#187; As one door closes&#8230; a light bulb grows bright?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:53:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-76074</guid> <description>[...] Inhabitat and a free newspaper I found on the bus last night were keen to discuss the merits of this new green energy Revolving door by Fluxxlab. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Inhabitat and a free newspaper I found on the bus last night were keen to discuss the merits of this new green energy Revolving door by Fluxxlab. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GreenNetizen</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-75619</link> <dc:creator>GreenNetizen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:45:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-75619</guid> <description>I&#039;m sold. You all have the most unique ideas of all the things I read out there. Thanks for the innovative creative work you are putting out there to help nudge the world forward!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sold. You all have the most unique ideas of all the things I read out there. Thanks for the innovative creative work you are putting out there to help nudge the world forward!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mekhong Kurt</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-75433</link> <dc:creator>Mekhong Kurt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 08:24:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-75433</guid> <description>I&#039;m not qualified to do the math.  With that admitted right up front, I do want to make an observation.*IF* even a miniscule amount of garnered energy ends up being cost-efficient to recover the intial investment, within a reasonable time-frame,  this seems like a reasonable idea to me, especially at places such gargantuan airports with heavy in-out pedestrian traffic through out much of the day, evening, and wee morning hours.Even if the answer is no, I wonder if linking this system with another green technology might make it far more useful.  Specifically, if solar panels (the kind that can work even in coudy weather, ideally) could provide the right amount of electricity to keep the door rotating constantly at the average speed travel through it anyway, then I assume there are few costs (small ones, at that) beyond the initial investment in the solar panels, meaning ROI might be achieved in a reasonable time-frame as well.And even if the net power generated remains small for any given building, there&#039;s the multiplier effect, as others have noted.  Maybe, on average, a building might generate only an average sufficient to power a single light bulb say, six hours per day.  Multiply that times a million buildings, and perhaps the economics begin to make sense.  And take out a light bulb as well, as some have suggested -- more than doubling energy costs saved.The idea *sounds* good, anyway.Mekhong Kurt
Bangkok, Thailand</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not qualified to do the math.  With that admitted right up front, I do want to make an observation.</p><p>*IF* even a miniscule amount of garnered energy ends up being cost-efficient to recover the intial investment, within a reasonable time-frame,  this seems like a reasonable idea to me, especially at places such gargantuan airports with heavy in-out pedestrian traffic through out much of the day, evening, and wee morning hours.</p><p>Even if the answer is no, I wonder if linking this system with another green technology might make it far more useful.  Specifically, if solar panels (the kind that can work even in coudy weather, ideally) could provide the right amount of electricity to keep the door rotating constantly at the average speed travel through it anyway, then I assume there are few costs (small ones, at that) beyond the initial investment in the solar panels, meaning ROI might be achieved in a reasonable time-frame as well.</p><p>And even if the net power generated remains small for any given building, there&#8217;s the multiplier effect, as others have noted.  Maybe, on average, a building might generate only an average sufficient to power a single light bulb say, six hours per day.  Multiply that times a million buildings, and perhaps the economics begin to make sense.  And take out a light bulb as well, as some have suggested &#8212; more than doubling energy costs saved.</p><p>The idea *sounds* good, anyway.</p><p>Mekhong Kurt<br
/> Bangkok, Thailand</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sam T</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-72252</link> <dc:creator>Sam T</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:39:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-72252</guid> <description>In response to &#039;oakling&#039;:In my head, you don&#039;t have to say &quot;Americans/Westeners&quot; since, well, Americans are a part of the western world as well as Europe, South America, Canada et.c. I, myself, is from Sweden and is also considered a &quot;westerner&quot; is constantly told by my trainers that i should take each and every possibility to use my own muscles. Pull/Push the door open instead of puching the button. Take the stairs, if feasible, instead of the elevator. Walk to the store instead of driving the car. Each action in itself is pretty ignorable, but it all adds up in the long run.
I am also one of those who don&#039;t pay for health clubs since i can keep my condition running, doing push-ups, sit-ups, back-ups, chin-ups and all kinds of &#039;ups in my home. 15 minutes a day is all it takes.My post was half jokingly a push in the &quot;you really do have to stop thinking about what one product does, think bigger people&quot; direction. This door will not produce enourmous amounts of energy. Neither will piezo thingys in pavements or floors. But together the end result is bigger. It all adds up.Perhaps writing about westerners (like me) was a bad thing. Perhaps I should have written &quot;Swedes&quot; since we starts to see the problems here too, now that more and more american (there you have it) companies area spreading wild with products filled with obscene amounts of sugar, fat and other healthyness. The life-style is also getting less active. This is not a good combination. But seriously. What other part of the world suffers from serious weight problems and over-consumerism? Not Africa for sure. Finding &#039;big&#039; people in Indonesia or Asia isn&#039;t that easy either. Sure, they exists. But all-in-all they&#039;re pretty rare. Why? The food of course matters big time, but i&#039;d be really surprised if these problems would not start popping up when they get to the same &quot;great standard&quot; as us westerners and starts driving the car to the near-by mall.
But maybe i&#039;m just being ignorant.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to &#8216;oakling&#8217;:</p><p>In my head, you don&#8217;t have to say &#8220;Americans/Westeners&#8221; since, well, Americans are a part of the western world as well as Europe, South America, Canada et.c. I, myself, is from Sweden and is also considered a &#8220;westerner&#8221; is constantly told by my trainers that i should take each and every possibility to use my own muscles. Pull/Push the door open instead of puching the button. Take the stairs, if feasible, instead of the elevator. Walk to the store instead of driving the car. Each action in itself is pretty ignorable, but it all adds up in the long run.<br
/> I am also one of those who don&#8217;t pay for health clubs since i can keep my condition running, doing push-ups, sit-ups, back-ups, chin-ups and all kinds of &#8216;ups in my home. 15 minutes a day is all it takes.</p><p>My post was half jokingly a push in the &#8220;you really do have to stop thinking about what one product does, think bigger people&#8221; direction. This door will not produce enourmous amounts of energy. Neither will piezo thingys in pavements or floors. But together the end result is bigger. It all adds up.</p><p>Perhaps writing about westerners (like me) was a bad thing. Perhaps I should have written &#8220;Swedes&#8221; since we starts to see the problems here too, now that more and more american (there you have it) companies area spreading wild with products filled with obscene amounts of sugar, fat and other healthyness. The life-style is also getting less active. This is not a good combination. But seriously. What other part of the world suffers from serious weight problems and over-consumerism? Not Africa for sure. Finding &#8216;big&#8217; people in Indonesia or Asia isn&#8217;t that easy either. Sure, they exists. But all-in-all they&#8217;re pretty rare. Why? The food of course matters big time, but i&#8217;d be really surprised if these problems would not start popping up when they get to the same &#8220;great standard&#8221; as us westerners and starts driving the car to the near-by mall.<br
/> But maybe i&#8217;m just being ignorant.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Betsy Devine</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-72108</link> <dc:creator>Betsy Devine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-72108</guid> <description>I am surprised nobody mentions that Thomas Edison used this exact principle. Visitors passing through a turnstile had to do enough work moving the turnstile to raise a gallon of water to Edison&#039;s roof holding tank. Edison&#039;s idea is mentioned in a recent Wikipedia article as the inspiration for something called &quot;The Crowd Farm Project.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised nobody mentions that Thomas Edison used this exact principle. Visitors passing through a turnstile had to do enough work moving the turnstile to raise a gallon of water to Edison&#8217;s roof holding tank. Edison&#8217;s idea is mentioned in a recent Wikipedia article as the inspiration for something called &#8220;The Crowd Farm Project.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jared Boucha</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-71972</link> <dc:creator>Jared Boucha</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 22:11:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-71972</guid> <description>I think it would save money and energy for large supermarkets and other businesses where people are constantly moving in and out.Also, revolving doors themselves can save energy, because they let less air in which has to be heated and cooled.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it would save money and energy for large supermarkets and other businesses where people are constantly moving in and out.Also, revolving doors themselves can save energy, because they let less air in which has to be heated and cooled.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: oakling</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-71812</link> <dc:creator>oakling</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 01:15:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-71812</guid> <description>Oh my god, I am so tired of everyone always throwing in blog comments about how fat/lazy/out of shape Americans/westerners are, no matter what the topic is at hand. I have never seen anyone say (using this post as an example) &quot;This is a great idea, I could sure use the miniscule amount of extra exercise it would give me.&quot; Whether that&#039;s because they know on some level that this is a really ridiculously small amount of extra effort or whether it&#039;s because they&#039;re too *mentally* lazy to think more critically about what the real issues around health and food and weight in the US are, and would rather just fall into the easy joke of &quot;ha ha all the other Americans but me are so pathetically fat,&quot; I do not know. Either way, it&#039;s woefully ignorant and anorexic thinking.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my god, I am so tired of everyone always throwing in blog comments about how fat/lazy/out of shape Americans/westerners are, no matter what the topic is at hand. I have never seen anyone say (using this post as an example) &#8220;This is a great idea, I could sure use the miniscule amount of extra exercise it would give me.&#8221; Whether that&#8217;s because they know on some level that this is a really ridiculously small amount of extra effort or whether it&#8217;s because they&#8217;re too *mentally* lazy to think more critically about what the real issues around health and food and weight in the US are, and would rather just fall into the easy joke of &#8220;ha ha all the other Americans but me are so pathetically fat,&#8221; I do not know. Either way, it&#8217;s woefully ignorant and anorexic thinking.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sam T</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-71681</link> <dc:creator>Sam T</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 09:02:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-71681</guid> <description>Hm. Yes.
I sincerely doubt that, given the physical state of many &quot;western&quot; people, a slightly harder push would not do much harm and cause them to have yet-another-hamburger. It might even be beneficial in the long run.
Has anyone here accounted for medical costs of NOT pushing that extra weight? Maybe this will be beneficial to the society at large with reduced costs in medical treatment of overweight people, energy- and medicin production-costs, reduced fuel consumption due to less weight to carry and decreased wear on staircases, rollercoasters and shoes?Maybe this is the start of a new Revolution. ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. Yes.<br
/> I sincerely doubt that, given the physical state of many &#8220;western&#8221; people, a slightly harder push would not do much harm and cause them to have yet-another-hamburger. It might even be beneficial in the long run.<br
/> Has anyone here accounted for medical costs of NOT pushing that extra weight? Maybe this will be beneficial to the society at large with reduced costs in medical treatment of overweight people, energy- and medicin production-costs, reduced fuel consumption due to less weight to carry and decreased wear on staircases, rollercoasters and shoes?</p><p>Maybe this is the start of a new Revolution. ;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-71303</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:07:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-71303</guid> <description>I really hate revolving doors.  There is no worse way of having the threshold of an exterior and an interior interrupted.  I&#039;m sure we can think of another way to generate electricity while not intruding on the entrance like that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really hate revolving doors.  There is no worse way of having the threshold of an exterior and an interior interrupted.  I&#8217;m sure we can think of another way to generate electricity while not intruding on the entrance like that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: gregb</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-71187</link> <dc:creator>gregb</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 01:50:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-71187</guid> <description>The numbers just don&#039;t work out. Even a lobby with 6 revolving doors would be lucky to generate 200 watts of power during the morning rush, and much less the rest of the day. Maybe 50 watts average during 8 hours. Ignore for a second the argument over conversion of biomass to food to arm-wrestling the door, or the need for braking mechanisms.  The architect could simple eliminate one bulb in the lobby, and save more energy than  all 6 motor generators combined. Throw in the cost of the system, the energy used to manufacture and install the motors, and its just a dumb idea. Because the numbers don&#039;t add up.Lets say the motors cost $1000 each. That&#039;s six thousand dollars, which could be used to buy energy efficient LED or CFL bulbs. An LED bulb will last 15 years and cost $20, and save about 20 W/bulb over even fluorescent tubes. So the same amount of investment could generate 50 watts of power, or save 6000 watts. Again, the numbers just don&#039;t add up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers just don&#8217;t work out. Even a lobby with 6 revolving doors would be lucky to generate 200 watts of power during the morning rush, and much less the rest of the day. Maybe 50 watts average during 8 hours. Ignore for a second the argument over conversion of biomass to food to arm-wrestling the door, or the need for braking mechanisms.  The architect could simple eliminate one bulb in the lobby, and save more energy than  all 6 motor generators combined. Throw in the cost of the system, the energy used to manufacture and install the motors, and its just a dumb idea. Because the numbers don&#8217;t add up.</p><p>Lets say the motors cost $1000 each. That&#8217;s six thousand dollars, which could be used to buy energy efficient LED or CFL bulbs. An LED bulb will last 15 years and cost $20, and save about 20 W/bulb over even fluorescent tubes. So the same amount of investment could generate 50 watts of power, or save 6000 watts. Again, the numbers just don&#8217;t add up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GS</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/comment-page-1/#comment-71168</link> <dc:creator>GS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 22:30:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/07/generate-energy-with-fluxxlabs-revolution-revolving-door/#comment-71168</guid> <description>All:Most revolving door assemblies on the market today already employ some sort of braking mechanism so that the doors can resist exterior wind loads and interior &#039;stack&#039; loads.  Without these brakes, the doors would likely revolve non-stop, with or without human interaction.  It would seem to make sense that an electrical generator would impose no greater resistance if the braking mechanism were omitted and replaced entirely with the generator alone.  The generator would then serve as the &#039;brake&#039; when the doors were not in use.  The net result yields  &#039;free&#039; energy, door control, and no net increase in per-capita hamburger (i.e. food energy) consumption.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All:</p><p>Most revolving door assemblies on the market today already employ some sort of braking mechanism so that the doors can resist exterior wind loads and interior &#8217;stack&#8217; loads.  Without these brakes, the doors would likely revolve non-stop, with or without human interaction.  It would seem to make sense that an electrical generator would impose no greater resistance if the braking mechanism were omitted and replaced entirely with the generator alone.  The generator would then serve as the &#8216;brake&#8217; when the doors were not in use.  The net result yields  &#8216;free&#8217; energy, door control, and no net increase in per-capita hamburger (i.e. food energy) consumption.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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