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> <channel><title>Comments on: Urban Bike Sharing System Coming to London!</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:29:23 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: denis</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-195088</link> <dc:creator>denis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 14:33:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-195088</guid> <description>I used BIXI over 150 time and I never got overcharged for it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used BIXI over 150 time and I never got overcharged for it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: remy</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-193937</link> <dc:creator>remy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:53:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-193937</guid> <description>I hope London will get the upgraded version...
I just rented a BIXI bike three times in Montreal this week-end (3 times 25 minutes = 75 minutes), and my VISA was charged more than 60dollars (canadian). I&#039;d rather rent a car...
I called... Don&#039;t even think to disagree with the charges... Any case you&#039;re wrong... The system is deemed flawless... The Customer Service just lectures you and &quot;be lucky they didn&#039;t charge you 265$&quot;... (whoever is &#039;they&quot;)
This is the typical urban luxury I could/should have missed</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope London will get the upgraded version&#8230;<br
/> I just rented a BIXI bike three times in Montreal this week-end (3 times 25 minutes = 75 minutes), and my VISA was charged more than 60dollars (canadian). I&#8217;d rather rent a car&#8230;<br
/> I called&#8230; Don&#8217;t even think to disagree with the charges&#8230; Any case you&#8217;re wrong&#8230; The system is deemed flawless&#8230; The Customer Service just lectures you and &#8220;be lucky they didn&#8217;t charge you 265$&#8221;&#8230; (whoever is &#8216;they&#8221;)<br
/> This is the typical urban luxury I could/should have missed</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: crazy homeless guy</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-78581</link> <dc:creator>crazy homeless guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:01:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-78581</guid> <description>...aren\\\&#039;t there free campaigns like this that take used bikes, paint them one color, and distribute them around the city?  I remember hearing about these before, but can\\\&#039;t seem to uncover any data on them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;aren\\\&#8217;t there free campaigns like this that take used bikes, paint them one color, and distribute them around the city?  I remember hearing about these before, but can\\\&#8217;t seem to uncover any data on them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Amy</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-77270</link> <dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 20:57:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-77270</guid> <description>I  live in the US and I think this is a FABULOUS idea!  I would love to see it come to major cities in the states.  I have to admit though, that unless they made some spectacular bike paths, I&#039;d be a little afraid to use them.  I live in a fairly large city and there are some seriously crazy drivers around here.  I fear I&#039;d be smooshed within minutes.Also, I am curious how much £1 translates into in US dollars.  That would also influence whether I would use them.    If it is cheep enough for the common man to rent them regularly, then that is even better.  If the cost isn&#039;t any lower than taking public transportation, I&#039;m not sure it would catch on.But all in all, what a great idea to lessen pollution, traffic congestion, and waist lines!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  live in the US and I think this is a FABULOUS idea!  I would love to see it come to major cities in the states.  I have to admit though, that unless they made some spectacular bike paths, I&#8217;d be a little afraid to use them.  I live in a fairly large city and there are some seriously crazy drivers around here.  I fear I&#8217;d be smooshed within minutes.</p><p>Also, I am curious how much £1 translates into in US dollars.  That would also influence whether I would use them.    If it is cheep enough for the common man to rent them regularly, then that is even better.  If the cost isn&#8217;t any lower than taking public transportation, I&#8217;m not sure it would catch on.</p><p>But all in all, what a great idea to lessen pollution, traffic congestion, and waist lines!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Seung-heon,Shin</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-75394</link> <dc:creator>Seung-heon,Shin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 04:53:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-75394</guid> <description>Hello. Mr Jorge Chapa. I&#039;m Korean blogger and bicycle commuter. I read your article. This article is good to korean bicycle commuter who make bike sharing system in Korea. So, I writed my blog post about your article. I translated this article to Korean(In spite of my bad English) with my comment. Is it illegal or making you  unpleasant? If it is, I&#039;ll delete my post. Thank you.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello. Mr Jorge Chapa. I&#8217;m Korean blogger and bicycle commuter. I read your article. This article is good to korean bicycle commuter who make bike sharing system in Korea. So, I writed my blog post about your article. I translated this article to Korean(In spite of my bad English) with my comment. Is it illegal or making you  unpleasant? If it is, I&#8217;ll delete my post. Thank you.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: McNeal</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-74231</link> <dc:creator>McNeal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:38:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-74231</guid> <description>Nice initiative!I have to say though that final picture you show there with the numerous bikes is not in London. It&#039;s a picture from my uni town in Belgium. It&#039;s taken in Leuven near the trainstation, most likely during the weekend as many students drive their bike to the trainstation to go home over the weekend to get their laundry done.You could say there is an unspoken bikesharing practice in Leuven as well. Leave your bike unlocked and it&#039;s free take, which of course forces the owner of the bike to take another one. Let&#039;s say no student will ever use a bike in Leuven worth more than 100$...Mcneal</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice initiative!</p><p>I have to say though that final picture you show there with the numerous bikes is not in London. It&#8217;s a picture from my uni town in Belgium. It&#8217;s taken in Leuven near the trainstation, most likely during the weekend as many students drive their bike to the trainstation to go home over the weekend to get their laundry done.</p><p>You could say there is an unspoken bikesharing practice in Leuven as well. Leave your bike unlocked and it&#8217;s free take, which of course forces the owner of the bike to take another one. Let&#8217;s say no student will ever use a bike in Leuven worth more than 100$&#8230;</p><p>Mcneal</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dogfish</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-74051</link> <dc:creator>dogfish</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 08:55:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-74051</guid> <description>in response to Quip&#039;s comment - i don&#039;t think the £75million is all being spent just on bikes - there&#039;s infrastructure, safe parking, etc etc.
Viewing this as a one-off cost is naive - in order for it to be sustainable, it has to generate income - to cover future costs, running costs and ongoing replacement of bikes as they become old or broken.  Enough income generate, and it could go towards paying for more safe cycling routes.it&#039;s a vicious circle - the more dangerous cycling is perceived to be, the fewer people cycle, more cars on the road - the more cars on the road, the fewer cyclists, and fewer drivers who know how to treat two-wheeled traffic - so cycling becomes more dangerous and fewer people cycle.
but this can work the other way - more people cycle, it becomes more visible - perceived as safer, so more people cycle - higher visibility &amp; more cyclist - more demand for cycle routes, maybe even more drivers learn how to cope with two-wheelers.
wishful thinking?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in response to Quip&#8217;s comment &#8211; i don&#8217;t think the £75million is all being spent just on bikes &#8211; there&#8217;s infrastructure, safe parking, etc etc.<br
/> Viewing this as a one-off cost is naive &#8211; in order for it to be sustainable, it has to generate income &#8211; to cover future costs, running costs and ongoing replacement of bikes as they become old or broken.  Enough income generate, and it could go towards paying for more safe cycling routes.</p><p>it&#8217;s a vicious circle &#8211; the more dangerous cycling is perceived to be, the fewer people cycle, more cars on the road &#8211; the more cars on the road, the fewer cyclists, and fewer drivers who know how to treat two-wheeled traffic &#8211; so cycling becomes more dangerous and fewer people cycle.<br
/> but this can work the other way &#8211; more people cycle, it becomes more visible &#8211; perceived as safer, so more people cycle &#8211; higher visibility &amp; more cyclist &#8211; more demand for cycle routes, maybe even more drivers learn how to cope with two-wheelers.<br
/> wishful thinking?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jay</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-74045</link> <dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 07:50:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-74045</guid> <description>Nice idea but it doesn&#039;t do enough.  Congestion is so ridiculous in London (and other major towns and cities) that the only way top fix it would be to ban personal cars completely from the most busy/central areas.Even without free bikes we have a fantastic public transport system (especially in London) with the tube and the buses (which would run smoothly on clear, car free roads).Banning the personal car would leave the roads open for the important uses of freight, businesses that require transport of heavy items, public transport and the emergency services.Its time to realize that allowing across-the-board use of huge tin boxes that pump filth and fumes into the atmosphere (as well as occasionally killing/maiming innocent pedestrians/road users) for the sake of a misguided belief in every individuals right to that &quot;convenient&quot; mode of transport is choking our cities.If people still didn&#039;t like public transport for whatever reason (fear, snobbishness etc) then maybe they would learn just how convenient riding a bike can be. I know I&#039;ll never swap mine for a car.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice idea but it doesn&#8217;t do enough.  Congestion is so ridiculous in London (and other major towns and cities) that the only way top fix it would be to ban personal cars completely from the most busy/central areas.</p><p>Even without free bikes we have a fantastic public transport system (especially in London) with the tube and the buses (which would run smoothly on clear, car free roads).</p><p>Banning the personal car would leave the roads open for the important uses of freight, businesses that require transport of heavy items, public transport and the emergency services.</p><p>Its time to realize that allowing across-the-board use of huge tin boxes that pump filth and fumes into the atmosphere (as well as occasionally killing/maiming innocent pedestrians/road users) for the sake of a misguided belief in every individuals right to that &#8220;convenient&#8221; mode of transport is choking our cities.</p><p>If people still didn&#8217;t like public transport for whatever reason (fear, snobbishness etc) then maybe they would learn just how convenient riding a bike can be. I know I&#8217;ll never swap mine for a car.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Quip</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73881</link> <dc:creator>Quip</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:44:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73881</guid> <description>75 Million pounds? That works out at a mere 12,500 pounds per bike.  Doesn&#039;t that seem a little ridiculous, plus whatever the private sector is putting in, and then the revenue generated from the rental scheme.Getting more people out of their cars (or off the cramped public transport) and onto bikes is a fantastic idea, but is this really the most cost-effective solution?  We charge people to ride the bikes they&#039;ve already payed for (via taxes).The likely situation for an average commuter-- find the nearest bike stand, hoping it&#039;s somewhere near your residence, work out how to get there.  Great, free half an hour, head off to work, oh.. can&#039;t keep the bike for the day (it would cost you more then a travelcard for the same time) so again, you need to park it and get yourself the final way to work.  It just seems.. lacking.You could buy a nice commuter bike for a hundred pounds, especially if you&#039;re buying in vast quantities.  So why not work our a more social scheme.  Buy 750,000 bikes and dispense them to people who are most likely to use them, that&#039;s roughly one in ten people for the whole population of London.  Every civil servant, every teacher, every kid, find the demographics that fit and push to them, the population of central is only 8 million right?  Imagine getting just hitting a small percentage of that, it would be incredible for some many reasons.It all just seems rather wasteful, seventy-five million is a great deal of money and it&#039;s including a rental fee too?Alternatively, put the money into better bike paths and perhaps people will feel more willing to get onto bikes-- I used to have to travel right through London to get to Camden Town and I can assure you, the bike lanes, are few and far between.  Some areas are brilliant, Camden has some entirely dedicated lanes, physically seperated from the traffic-- but the vast majority are still two feet wide, seperated from the traffic by a white line-- and nine times out of ten, blocked by parked cars.  Great fun if you&#039;re into cycling, but for a quiet commute, maybe too much.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75 Million pounds? That works out at a mere 12,500 pounds per bike.  Doesn&#8217;t that seem a little ridiculous, plus whatever the private sector is putting in, and then the revenue generated from the rental scheme.</p><p>Getting more people out of their cars (or off the cramped public transport) and onto bikes is a fantastic idea, but is this really the most cost-effective solution?  We charge people to ride the bikes they&#8217;ve already payed for (via taxes).</p><p>The likely situation for an average commuter&#8211; find the nearest bike stand, hoping it&#8217;s somewhere near your residence, work out how to get there.  Great, free half an hour, head off to work, oh.. can&#8217;t keep the bike for the day (it would cost you more then a travelcard for the same time) so again, you need to park it and get yourself the final way to work.  It just seems.. lacking.</p><p>You could buy a nice commuter bike for a hundred pounds, especially if you&#8217;re buying in vast quantities.  So why not work our a more social scheme.  Buy 750,000 bikes and dispense them to people who are most likely to use them, that&#8217;s roughly one in ten people for the whole population of London.  Every civil servant, every teacher, every kid, find the demographics that fit and push to them, the population of central is only 8 million right?  Imagine getting just hitting a small percentage of that, it would be incredible for some many reasons.</p><p>It all just seems rather wasteful, seventy-five million is a great deal of money and it&#8217;s including a rental fee too?</p><p>Alternatively, put the money into better bike paths and perhaps people will feel more willing to get onto bikes&#8211; I used to have to travel right through London to get to Camden Town and I can assure you, the bike lanes, are few and far between.  Some areas are brilliant, Camden has some entirely dedicated lanes, physically seperated from the traffic&#8211; but the vast majority are still two feet wide, seperated from the traffic by a white line&#8211; and nine times out of ten, blocked by parked cars.  Great fun if you&#8217;re into cycling, but for a quiet commute, maybe too much.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ebikehub</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73557</link> <dc:creator>ebikehub</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73557</guid> <description>ebikehub.com  the electric bicycle forum.  Lots of electric bicycle information, dealers reviews, news, links, pictures and videos.
Enjoywww.ebikehub.com</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ebikehub.com  the electric bicycle forum.  Lots of electric bicycle information, dealers reviews, news, links, pictures and videos.<br
/> Enjoy</p><p><a
href="http://www.ebikehub.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebikehub.com</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: C CALLUM</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73541</link> <dc:creator>C CALLUM</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:20:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73541</guid> <description>I live in Lyon and this works pretty well, its been here longer than Paris, but its a lot smaller than London and certainly not as busy, I hope it takes off but I seriously think it will take a while to tackle the road space issue first!The main problem is here in France, people dont seem to worry about cycling in pedestrian areas and on pavements like they do in London, so at least you UK guys wont suffer from being run down by Velob!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Lyon and this works pretty well, its been here longer than Paris, but its a lot smaller than London and certainly not as busy, I hope it takes off but I seriously think it will take a while to tackle the road space issue first!</p><p>The main problem is here in France, people dont seem to worry about cycling in pedestrian areas and on pavements like they do in London, so at least you UK guys wont suffer from being run down by Velob!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Magnus</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73461</link> <dc:creator>Magnus</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:02:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73461</guid> <description>Wow, thanks for that link Arne! I do not understand Danish, but I was really happy to see that Velorbis has a UK site as well http://www.velorbis.co.ukIt is great to see more bicycles here i London! Now they just have to get better roads as well....Take care in the traffic!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thanks for that link Arne! I do not understand Danish, but I was really happy to see that Velorbis has a UK site as well <a
href="http://www.velorbis.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.velorbis.co.uk</a></p><p>It is great to see more bicycles here i London! Now they just have to get better roads as well&#8230;.</p><p>Take care in the traffic!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Arne</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73395</link> <dc:creator>Arne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:55:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73395</guid> <description>Not very sexy bicycles...I wish they could use this model instead http://www.velorbis.dk/velorbis-cykler/velorbis-victoria-classic/velorbis-victoria-classic/ (the Grandmother of all Granny bikes)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not very sexy bicycles&#8230;I wish they could use this model instead <a
href="http://www.velorbis.dk/velorbis-cykler/velorbis-victoria-classic/velorbis-victoria-classic/" rel="nofollow">http://www.velorbis.dk/velorbis-cykler/velorbis-victoria-classic/velorbis-victoria-classic/</a> (the Grandmother of all Granny bikes)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alexis</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73191</link> <dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:19:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73191</guid> <description>re: kyle jone&#039;s commentnot everyone in portland has a bike! I&#039;ve been saving up to buy one, if we had a program like this, I would have started bike commuting months ago. If any american city should try it, we should... actually i think i heard that we did try it and it didnt work out...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: kyle jone&#8217;s comment</p><p>not everyone in portland has a bike! I&#8217;ve been saving up to buy one, if we had a program like this, I would have started bike commuting months ago. If any american city should try it, we should&#8230; actually i think i heard that we did try it and it didnt work out&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eleonora</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/urban-bike-sharing-system-coming-to-london/comment-page-1/#comment-73157</link> <dc:creator>Eleonora</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:13:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/19/granny-bikes-to-save-cities-london-edition/#comment-73157</guid> <description>yes, we&#039;ve been having it in Barcelona for 6-7 months now, The bikes are not so chic, but the success has been massive ( a bit of a concern for us long-term bikers). These programmes are great but should always go accompanied by other kind of initiatives that help people achieve consciousness of different and necessary ways to reduce waste and pollution. The plan to ban free plastic bags in London is a great one too. Cheers from BCN!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, we&#8217;ve been having it in Barcelona for 6-7 months now, The bikes are not so chic, but the success has been massive ( a bit of a concern for us long-term bikers). These programmes are great but should always go accompanied by other kind of initiatives that help people achieve consciousness of different and necessary ways to reduce waste and pollution. The plan to ban free plastic bags in London is a great one too. Cheers from BCN!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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