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> <channel><title>Comments on: Storing CO2 in Giant Underwater Plastic Bags?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:20:17 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: zilfondel</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-77716</link> <dc:creator>zilfondel</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 08:10:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-77716</guid> <description>The best way to deal with all the CO2 would be to plant a whole lot of trees, then cut them down and eitherA) build something with them (houses, furniture)B) stick them underwater or submersed in artificial bogsThat way they won&#039;t rot and release the CO2 back into the atmosphere again.
It is also the way that nature had sequestered all that carbon in the first place.. that gave us fossil fuels.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to deal with all the CO2 would be to plant a whole lot of trees, then cut them down and either</p><p>A) build something with them (houses, furniture)</p><p>B) stick them underwater or submersed in artificial bogs</p><p>That way they won&#8217;t rot and release the CO2 back into the atmosphere again.<br
/> It is also the way that nature had sequestered all that carbon in the first place.. that gave us fossil fuels.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76833</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 20:41:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76833</guid> <description>Good lord you people will bite at anything, won&#039;t you?  If you want carbon sequestration in the ocean, dump some powdered iron in, the alga bloom will take up tons of CO2, and it will certainly be cheaper and more effective than this hair-brained bag scheme.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good lord you people will bite at anything, won&#8217;t you?  If you want carbon sequestration in the ocean, dump some powdered iron in, the alga bloom will take up tons of CO2, and it will certainly be cheaper and more effective than this hair-brained bag scheme.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kat</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76381</link> <dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:53:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76381</guid> <description>so the ocean is the rug that we can sweep our dirty, lazy little mess under?  why can&#039;t they put all this converted liquid into something that can&#039;t pop?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so the ocean is the rug that we can sweep our dirty, lazy little mess under?  why can&#8217;t they put all this converted liquid into something that can&#8217;t pop?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Erik van Lennep</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76345</link> <dc:creator>Erik van Lennep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:44:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76345</guid> <description>Have a look at the &quot;biochar&quot; technologies being developed around the world, as carbon-negative energy generation and carbon sequestration. These offer prospects (proven over a few millennia already in the Amazon) for soil regeneration rather than suffocation of fragile deep water ecosystems. A good starting place would be the International Biochar Initiative at biochar (dot) org. It&#039;s also an open-sourced international research effort with an agenda to deliver positive results as widely as possible. Quite refreshing against the background of denial, quick-fixes, quick bucks and more that is sprouting up around climate response.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at the &#8220;biochar&#8221; technologies being developed around the world, as carbon-negative energy generation and carbon sequestration. These offer prospects (proven over a few millennia already in the Amazon) for soil regeneration rather than suffocation of fragile deep water ecosystems. A good starting place would be the International Biochar Initiative at biochar (dot) org. It&#8217;s also an open-sourced international research effort with an agenda to deliver positive results as widely as possible. Quite refreshing against the background of denial, quick-fixes, quick bucks and more that is sprouting up around climate response.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Warren Brooke</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76118</link> <dc:creator>Warren Brooke</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:59:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76118</guid> <description>I live in Calgary where Dr. Keith does his research.  He is actually a very clever and pragmatic scientist, very much not in the pocket of the oil companies.  Another of his research projects is the development of a simple and cost-effective method of absorbing carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere to &quot;sequester&quot; the gas away in a chemically inert solid.  Good stuff.Like I said, Dr. Keith is a pragmatist.  I&#039;m sure that he&#039;s well aware of the potential problems of deep sea storage of CO2, but these risks have to be weighed against the the risks of having CO2 gas floating around in the atmosphere.  The likelihood of the world continuing to use fossil fuels is very high...even to the point of exhaustion of these resources.  The greenhouse gases from burning all of these fossil fuels have to go &quot;somewhere&quot; besides the atmosphere or we will face global-mean-temperature rise of between 1 to 5 degrees C.   One degree might not be so disruptive, but 5 degrees would likely be catastrophic, if only for the sheer number of environmental refugees that would be displaced.  Dr. Keith proposes a way of keeping CO2 out of the atmosphere, thus avoiding catastrophic changes to the surface climate that could put many many species at risk of extinction.  This will probably be damaging to the flora and fauna of the deep ocean, but this might be a better option than letting the CO2 hang around in the atmosphere.Is it good to pollute the abyss with suffocating liquid carbon-dioxide just so that we can make our toast in the morning and watch Survivor in the evening?  No.  But this is a societal problem.  Society wastes energy, and uses it for foolish things.This is a great forum for advocating changes to society, where we can see ideas or products that have much less impact on the environment.  Kudos to Inhabitat, and I&#039;m with everyone here...I dream of the evolution where we power our societies solely with the current solar capital.  That will be a great society.  But I think we can all agree that evolution is slow, and in the mean time we are still pumping an aweful lot of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.  It would be a good idea, for the benefit of everybody, to do &quot;something&quot; about those emissions right now.I think it is entirely possible that Dr. Keith has proposed this &quot;practical&quot; solution (if not &quot;palatable&quot; solution) to climate change simply as a wake-up call to demonstrate exactly how much trouble we are in.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Calgary where Dr. Keith does his research.  He is actually a very clever and pragmatic scientist, very much not in the pocket of the oil companies.  Another of his research projects is the development of a simple and cost-effective method of absorbing carbon dioxide directly from the atmosphere to &#8220;sequester&#8221; the gas away in a chemically inert solid.  Good stuff.</p><p>Like I said, Dr. Keith is a pragmatist.  I&#8217;m sure that he&#8217;s well aware of the potential problems of deep sea storage of CO2, but these risks have to be weighed against the the risks of having CO2 gas floating around in the atmosphere.  The likelihood of the world continuing to use fossil fuels is very high&#8230;even to the point of exhaustion of these resources.  The greenhouse gases from burning all of these fossil fuels have to go &#8220;somewhere&#8221; besides the atmosphere or we will face global-mean-temperature rise of between 1 to 5 degrees C.   One degree might not be so disruptive, but 5 degrees would likely be catastrophic, if only for the sheer number of environmental refugees that would be displaced.  Dr. Keith proposes a way of keeping CO2 out of the atmosphere, thus avoiding catastrophic changes to the surface climate that could put many many species at risk of extinction.  This will probably be damaging to the flora and fauna of the deep ocean, but this might be a better option than letting the CO2 hang around in the atmosphere.</p><p>Is it good to pollute the abyss with suffocating liquid carbon-dioxide just so that we can make our toast in the morning and watch Survivor in the evening?  No.  But this is a societal problem.  Society wastes energy, and uses it for foolish things.</p><p>This is a great forum for advocating changes to society, where we can see ideas or products that have much less impact on the environment.  Kudos to Inhabitat, and I&#8217;m with everyone here&#8230;I dream of the evolution where we power our societies solely with the current solar capital.  That will be a great society.  But I think we can all agree that evolution is slow, and in the mean time we are still pumping an aweful lot of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.  It would be a good idea, for the benefit of everybody, to do &#8220;something&#8221; about those emissions right now.</p><p>I think it is entirely possible that Dr. Keith has proposed this &#8220;practical&#8221; solution (if not &#8220;palatable&#8221; solution) to climate change simply as a wake-up call to demonstrate exactly how much trouble we are in.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Alex</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76064</link> <dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:17:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76064</guid> <description>A totally ridiculous idea with disaster written all over it - and a fundamentaly dangerous mentality to our carbon issues.Trying to see both sides of the story - is it that more proposterous and unlikely than some renewable energy ideas? Some theoretical &#039;solutions&#039; to the energy question are equally as hollow and contain just as many potentially fatal unknowns:http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/18/round-the-clock-solar-energy-from-space-solar-power-system/But not to lose focus - this is like spraying yourself in deo instead of having a shower - at the end of the day - it still stinks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A totally ridiculous idea with disaster written all over it &#8211; and a fundamentaly dangerous mentality to our carbon issues.</p><p>Trying to see both sides of the story &#8211; is it that more proposterous and unlikely than some renewable energy ideas? Some theoretical &#8217;solutions&#8217; to the energy question are equally as hollow and contain just as many potentially fatal unknowns:</p><p><a
href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/18/round-the-clock-solar-energy-from-space-solar-power-system/" rel="nofollow">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/02/18/round-the-clock-solar-energy-from-space-solar-power-system/</a></p><p>But not to lose focus &#8211; this is like spraying yourself in deo instead of having a shower &#8211; at the end of the day &#8211; it still stinks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hugo</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76048</link> <dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 08:31:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76048</guid> <description>This is a very bad idea! Storing CO2 for future generations to deal with it? Shame on you! Shifting this problem to your (and my) grandchildren! I&#039;m really having trouble believing tha this is a serious idea, and that the people thought of the idea, are serious scientists (yes, that means you too, Keith)! Bloody idiots!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very bad idea! Storing CO2 for future generations to deal with it? Shame on you! Shifting this problem to your (and my) grandchildren! I&#8217;m really having trouble believing tha this is a serious idea, and that the people thought of the idea, are serious scientists (yes, that means you too, Keith)! Bloody idiots!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Greg</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76026</link> <dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:01:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76026</guid> <description>I thought that CO2 was raising Ph levels in our oceans, which is causing different types of plankton to die and corals to bleach...
But at least someone is thinking of a way to put that stuff back where we got it from.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that CO2 was raising Ph levels in our oceans, which is causing different types of plankton to die and corals to bleach&#8230;<br
/> But at least someone is thinking of a way to put that stuff back where we got it from.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-76016</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:36:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-76016</guid> <description>Hmmmm - once upon a time, human kind used the oceans as a dumping ground for all their toxic waste. Tyres, nuclear waste, old ships - you name it - the oceans were our scrapyard.Then we got smarter and realised that the oceans are a precious resource and we tried to find better ways to manage our wastes.One fine day we found out that were also producing an evil gas as our waste, so a group of smart scientists got together to talk about solutions, and came up with the idea of dumping it all into the oceans.&quot;We are so clever&quot;, the scientists all cried together, and they cheered, and clapped eachother on their backs, and popped champagne because they wer all so smart, and had solved the problem.NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Am I not surprised that this idea came from a chemical and pertoleum engineer? I wonder which oil company pays his research dollars?Just goes to show that there&#039;s some out there who are still looking at the problem through the same rose coloured lenses as always. Don&#039;t fix the disease - just find new (old) ways to treat the symptoms.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm &#8211; once upon a time, human kind used the oceans as a dumping ground for all their toxic waste. Tyres, nuclear waste, old ships &#8211; you name it &#8211; the oceans were our scrapyard.</p><p>Then we got smarter and realised that the oceans are a precious resource and we tried to find better ways to manage our wastes.</p><p>One fine day we found out that were also producing an evil gas as our waste, so a group of smart scientists got together to talk about solutions, and came up with the idea of dumping it all into the oceans.</p><p>&#8220;We are so clever&#8221;, the scientists all cried together, and they cheered, and clapped eachother on their backs, and popped champagne because they wer all so smart, and had solved the problem.</p><p>NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p><p>Am I not surprised that this idea came from a chemical and pertoleum engineer? I wonder which oil company pays his research dollars?</p><p>Just goes to show that there&#8217;s some out there who are still looking at the problem through the same rose coloured lenses as always. Don&#8217;t fix the disease &#8211; just find new (old) ways to treat the symptoms.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tony</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-75968</link> <dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:19:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-75968</guid> <description>Balloons pop? Balloons full of gas = displaces more water than its weight and therefore floats?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Balloons pop? Balloons full of gas = displaces more water than its weight and therefore floats?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: iGadgetGirl</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-75942</link> <dc:creator>iGadgetGirl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:50:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-75942</guid> <description>As a professional SCUBA Diver, preserving our underwater environment is paramount.  Does anyone remember when they decided to get rid of the surplus of tires with the Osborne Reef expansion project in 1972?   Military divers are still trying to get rid of those tires, nevermind all the damage the tires have caused in the past several decades.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a professional SCUBA Diver, preserving our underwater environment is paramount.  Does anyone remember when they decided to get rid of the surplus of tires with the Osborne Reef expansion project in 1972?   Military divers are still trying to get rid of those tires, nevermind all the damage the tires have caused in the past several decades.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sienna</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-75941</link> <dc:creator>Sienna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:49:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-75941</guid> <description>Yet another bandaid solution.  We need to stop coming up with these quick-fixes that do nothing to solve the root of the problem - our wastefulness and overconsumption.  This will be a disaster waiting to happen!  What about the crazy ocean currents that run along the seabed?  The constant movement of ocean water due to tidal effects?  There&#039;s so much we don&#039;t know about the ocean, we shouldn&#039;t be messing with it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet another bandaid solution.  We need to stop coming up with these quick-fixes that do nothing to solve the root of the problem &#8211; our wastefulness and overconsumption.  This will be a disaster waiting to happen!  What about the crazy ocean currents that run along the seabed?  The constant movement of ocean water due to tidal effects?  There&#8217;s so much we don&#8217;t know about the ocean, we shouldn&#8217;t be messing with it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: oakling</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-75940</link> <dc:creator>oakling</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:46:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-75940</guid> <description>WTF? Oh sure... throw a plastic bag in the ocean and you&#039;re littering, but throw a GIANT plastic bag in and fill it with CO2 and suddenly everything&#039;s fine!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF? Oh sure&#8230; throw a plastic bag in the ocean and you&#8217;re littering, but throw a GIANT plastic bag in and fill it with CO2 and suddenly everything&#8217;s fine!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Umlud</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-75939</link> <dc:creator>Umlud</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:35:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-75939</guid> <description>Jorge, I addressed a the issue of a potential underwater explosion of CO2 over at my blog. (See linked URL above.)Long story short, due to extreme pressure and low temperatures of the average ocean depth (3800m), which is &quot;pre-Abyssal&quot; btw, the CO2 in the bag will be in liquid form. Therefore, any rupture will cause liquid CO2 to spill out of the bag, rather than gaseous CO2 exploding out of it.This isn&#039;t necessarily so good, though, since - in the absence of oxygen - it will likely increase local acidity as it dissolves with the water, changing into carbonic acid. Additionally, this liquid CO2 will flow across the ocean floor, seeking out the lowest point (just like any liquid does), meaning it will suffocate any organism living on the sea floor, which just happens to be in its path.So, I don&#039;t know if the image of an &quot;explosion from the depths&quot; is worse than an image of a &quot;flowing stream of suffocating liquid&quot;, but bad news nonetheless.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jorge, I addressed a the issue of a potential underwater explosion of CO2 over at my blog. (See linked URL above.)</p><p>Long story short, due to extreme pressure and low temperatures of the average ocean depth (3800m), which is &#8220;pre-Abyssal&#8221; btw, the CO2 in the bag will be in liquid form. Therefore, any rupture will cause liquid CO2 to spill out of the bag, rather than gaseous CO2 exploding out of it.</p><p>This isn&#8217;t necessarily so good, though, since &#8211; in the absence of oxygen &#8211; it will likely increase local acidity as it dissolves with the water, changing into carbonic acid. Additionally, this liquid CO2 will flow across the ocean floor, seeking out the lowest point (just like any liquid does), meaning it will suffocate any organism living on the sea floor, which just happens to be in its path.</p><p>So, I don&#8217;t know if the image of an &#8220;explosion from the depths&#8221; is worse than an image of a &#8220;flowing stream of suffocating liquid&#8221;, but bad news nonetheless.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nick Simpson</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/comment-page-1/#comment-75934</link> <dc:creator>Nick Simpson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:12:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/storing-co2-in-giant-plastic-bags-in-the-ocean-floor/#comment-75934</guid> <description>Looks at first glace to be a bad idea... My take on carbon storage is that is should ideally be fixed or converted in some way - for instance stored with some form of algae that will convert the CO2 into oxygen? Whilst we&#039;re on the subject, I&#039;ve heard plenty of mention of CO2 being stored in disused mines etc - does this involve it being converted into a liquid form? How does this work?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks at first glace to be a bad idea&#8230; My take on carbon storage is that is should ideally be fixed or converted in some way &#8211; for instance stored with some form of algae that will convert the CO2 into oxygen? Whilst we&#8217;re on the subject, I&#8217;ve heard plenty of mention of CO2 being stored in disused mines etc &#8211; does this involve it being converted into a liquid form? How does this work?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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