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> <channel><title>Comments on: Svalbard Global Seed Vault Opens in Norway</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:55:06 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Christine</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76294</link> <dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:30:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76294</guid> <description>This is a great idea, but the location is confusing. Is the site/building not susceptible to sea level rise and flooding... and built on permafrost? Aren&#039;t there problems in other parts of the world with the global climate change affecting permafrost sited buildings and infrastructure (shifting, collapsing etc.)...Does anyone know more about the construction details on this and provisions made for the above-stated?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great idea, but the location is confusing. Is the site/building not susceptible to sea level rise and flooding&#8230; and built on permafrost? Aren&#8217;t there problems in other parts of the world with the global climate change affecting permafrost sited buildings and infrastructure (shifting, collapsing etc.)&#8230;</p><p>Does anyone know more about the construction details on this and provisions made for the above-stated?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lagavulin</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76194</link> <dc:creator>Lagavulin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 23:14:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76194</guid> <description>We should also bear in mind that the Board overseeing this vault consists of a number of people, nations and corporate representatives, most notably from Monsanto, Cargill, the Rockefeller family, Bill Gates is often mentioned....  But essentially this is a &quot;seed trust&quot; controlled by a number of interests who have dedicated their existance toward establishing monopolized control over resource distribution.  For this reason alone no-one will ever convince me that there are firmly laid intentions for this seed vault to be used to solidify control and power over food access should worse come to worst.  I know that the venerable Seed Savers Exchange in Decorah, IA has undergone a hostile takover because one of its founders didn&#039;t feel comfortable contributing to the Svalbard Seed Bank program....The other thing to keep in mind is that even the idea itself spells out how truly dire some of the most powerful people in the world now view our present situation.  This isn&#039;t a &quot;high-profile&quot; cause, and it isn&#039;t a feel-good cause.  This seed bank goes against everything the modern agricultural and food industries stand for.  This project originated in a cloud of secrecy, and wasn&#039;t funded with taxpayer monies.  That tells me that the people involved are not altruistic and cautiously optimistic....they&#039;re flat out scared.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should also bear in mind that the Board overseeing this vault consists of a number of people, nations and corporate representatives, most notably from Monsanto, Cargill, the Rockefeller family, Bill Gates is often mentioned&#8230;.  But essentially this is a &#8220;seed trust&#8221; controlled by a number of interests who have dedicated their existance toward establishing monopolized control over resource distribution.  For this reason alone no-one will ever convince me that there are firmly laid intentions for this seed vault to be used to solidify control and power over food access should worse come to worst.  I know that the venerable Seed Savers Exchange in Decorah, IA has undergone a hostile takover because one of its founders didn&#8217;t feel comfortable contributing to the Svalbard Seed Bank program&#8230;.</p><p>The other thing to keep in mind is that even the idea itself spells out how truly dire some of the most powerful people in the world now view our present situation.  This isn&#8217;t a &#8220;high-profile&#8221; cause, and it isn&#8217;t a feel-good cause.  This seed bank goes against everything the modern agricultural and food industries stand for.  This project originated in a cloud of secrecy, and wasn&#8217;t funded with taxpayer monies.  That tells me that the people involved are not altruistic and cautiously optimistic&#8230;.they&#8217;re flat out scared.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zero Energy and Green Building in New Homes &#124; Svalbard Global Seed Vault Opens in Norway</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76173</link> <dc:creator>Zero Energy and Green Building in New Homes &#124; Svalbard Global Seed Vault Opens in Norway</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:32:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76173</guid> <description>[...] (more&#8230;) [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (more&#8230;) [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Heather</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76127</link> <dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 17:56:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76127</guid> <description>I totally agree with Aaron. Instead of working on the cause of the problems, for 30 years we&#039;re going to work on an insurance policy?!? We won&#039;t NEED the insurance policy if we focus on the cause of the problem and work on cleaning that up instead!And if &quot;in the event of global catastrophe&quot; we suddenly need this (if we&#039;re still here), doesn&#039;t anyone involved with this project (hopefully some biologists, geologists, etc) think that there will be other reasons as to why our plants (and their seeds) magically disappeared - like unstable soils, changing weather, droughts, floods, etc? Or am I confused on the definition of &quot;global catastrophe&quot;?One final thing...how much energy does this building take to store these seeds and how much energy and destruction did it take to run the electricity lines to the building (in the middle of frozen nowhere) and keep the lights on? Whatever happened to the &quot;time capsule&quot; concept where we could bury something we wanted to find years later in a non-energy using, non-oversized (building) box?This, to me, is more proof that humans insist on trudging along trying to solve the problems we&#039;ve created with technology and *more* with...technology and *more*. Einstein was way ahead of his time - we can&#039;t solve the problems with the same thinking that caused them to begin with!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with Aaron. Instead of working on the cause of the problems, for 30 years we&#8217;re going to work on an insurance policy?!? We won&#8217;t NEED the insurance policy if we focus on the cause of the problem and work on cleaning that up instead!</p><p>And if &#8220;in the event of global catastrophe&#8221; we suddenly need this (if we&#8217;re still here), doesn&#8217;t anyone involved with this project (hopefully some biologists, geologists, etc) think that there will be other reasons as to why our plants (and their seeds) magically disappeared &#8211; like unstable soils, changing weather, droughts, floods, etc? Or am I confused on the definition of &#8220;global catastrophe&#8221;?</p><p>One final thing&#8230;how much energy does this building take to store these seeds and how much energy and destruction did it take to run the electricity lines to the building (in the middle of frozen nowhere) and keep the lights on? Whatever happened to the &#8220;time capsule&#8221; concept where we could bury something we wanted to find years later in a non-energy using, non-oversized (building) box?</p><p>This, to me, is more proof that humans insist on trudging along trying to solve the problems we&#8217;ve created with technology and *more* with&#8230;technology and *more*. Einstein was way ahead of his time &#8211; we can&#8217;t solve the problems with the same thinking that caused them to begin with!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dantron</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76114</link> <dc:creator>dantron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76114</guid> <description>Seinna... seriously. Give them some credit for accomplishing what they have so far. If a good number of plants/seeds do not survive a catasthopic event, then their is not much hope of us even setting foot on the surface to plant anything...ever.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seinna&#8230; seriously. Give them some credit for accomplishing what they have so far. If a good number of plants/seeds do not survive a catasthopic event, then their is not much hope of us even setting foot on the surface to plant anything&#8230;ever.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aaron Max Fein</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76030</link> <dc:creator>Aaron Max Fein</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:48:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76030</guid> <description>Well, Sienna has a bit of a point there. Also, lets just have a little logic review, shall we?This seed vault, meant to protect against global catastrophe, has taken how many years to get built? 30? ....really?And this is supposed to encourage confidence? Here&#039;s the deal: If we as six billion humans on planet (spaceship) earth get to the point where something like this seed vault is vital, well, there won&#039;t be six billion of us for long. So, how exactly does this help four billion people? You might say all kinds of things, and you might be right, to a degree.But really, the answer is pretty much that IT WILL DO NO GOOD FOR MOST OF HUMANITY! If we are ever at this point of needing what&#039;s inside there, that means that however many of us have survived whatever badness led to such a point need seeds to grow our food, asap. Thats enough seeds for how many billions? Yeah.So, point is, some folks might get very good use outta this place, but in the grand view, its not much help.Further, it should be alarming. In reality, it represents further iniquity. Ya&#039;ll got your fancy seed vaults set up in (everywhere thats poor), right?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Sienna has a bit of a point there. Also, lets just have a little logic review, shall we?</p><p>This seed vault, meant to protect against global catastrophe, has taken how many years to get built? 30? &#8230;.really?</p><p>And this is supposed to encourage confidence? Here&#8217;s the deal: If we as six billion humans on planet (spaceship) earth get to the point where something like this seed vault is vital, well, there won&#8217;t be six billion of us for long. So, how exactly does this help four billion people? You might say all kinds of things, and you might be right, to a degree.</p><p>But really, the answer is pretty much that IT WILL DO NO GOOD FOR MOST OF HUMANITY! If we are ever at this point of needing what&#8217;s inside there, that means that however many of us have survived whatever badness led to such a point need seeds to grow our food, asap. Thats enough seeds for how many billions? Yeah.</p><p>So, point is, some folks might get very good use outta this place, but in the grand view, its not much help.</p><p>Further, it should be alarming. In reality, it represents further iniquity. Ya&#8217;ll got your fancy seed vaults set up in (everywhere thats poor), right?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ReGeneration - ReGeneration Roundup - 2008-03-06</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-76013</link> <dc:creator>ReGeneration - ReGeneration Roundup - 2008-03-06</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:57:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-76013</guid> <description>[...] protecting our planet&#8217;s invaluable biodiversity for generations to come, and to Inhabitat for keeping us up to date on this ambitious [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] protecting our planet&#8217;s invaluable biodiversity for generations to come, and to Inhabitat for keeping us up to date on this ambitious [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sienna</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-75944</link> <dc:creator>Sienna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 20:56:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-75944</guid> <description>Sure, we need agricultural crops to survive.  But what about the millions of plant species worldwide that sustain the biosphere, and specific ecological areas?  Instead of storing our own GMO creations, perhaps we should deflate our egos and preserve some of the species that sustain our earth.  Endangered plants anyone?  (not that seed collection from endangered species is really the way to go, but you get my drift)  Biodiversity is key.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, we need agricultural crops to survive.  But what about the millions of plant species worldwide that sustain the biosphere, and specific ecological areas?  Instead of storing our own GMO creations, perhaps we should deflate our egos and preserve some of the species that sustain our earth.  Endangered plants anyone?  (not that seed collection from endangered species is really the way to go, but you get my drift)  Biodiversity is key.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kat</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault-opens/comment-page-1/#comment-75828</link> <dc:creator>Kat</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:00:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/06/svalbard-global-seed-vault/#comment-75828</guid> <description>that&#039;s almost as grim as having to write your own will.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s almost as grim as having to write your own will.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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