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> <channel><title>Comments on: Floating New Orleans to weather the storm</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:20:17 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Jimmy Sanchez</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-85012</link> <dc:creator>Jimmy Sanchez</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:49:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-85012</guid> <description>I think that regardless of the actual merits of the scheme, the critique in this article about the fracturing and disorganisation of a social space is a bit naive in two respects:1) an inherently negative bias imagines society as a place where the effect of moving is fracture, discontinuity and disorganisation. It fails to mention the more positive and noble attributes which can surface in times of stress or even when faced with unfamiliar social or physical geographies: people meeting new faces, the kindness of strangers, forging impromtu and practically based social connections, the refinement and flourishing of social skills and norms which can sometimes atrophy in normal urban environments. All in all, a world where my strange new neighbour after the flood is in a similar position to me, will feel an analogous impulse to reach out and find the safety of human contact and comfort to my own, is one which, while not stress free, does not sound unnattractive.2) rivers are in some ways predictably upredictable, if you excuse the bad english. So while one might find onself with new neighbours, in ones or twos perhaps, you will still inhabit an environment which is predominantly of similar social fabric to the one before the flooding event. Note also that the umbilicus mentioned will also effectively be a tether, restricting the distance and radius of travel unless there is an unfortunate accident.Finally, there is no direct analogue between the flood event envisaged here and that which occurred during Hurricane Katrina. Here there are effectively thousands of discreet units, boxes which although for habitation primarily are also full of the paraphernalia of living, of personality and of legacies. These people in the scenario envisaged will not have to come to terms with loosing the markers of their identity, loosing the ephemeral links between place and home, dealing with the shock of death and loss. I think people should at least give this project another look and enjoy the fun, positive aspects of it rather than dwelling on the darknesses of the past...My two cents... ;)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that regardless of the actual merits of the scheme, the critique in this article about the fracturing and disorganisation of a social space is a bit naive in two respects:</p><p>1) an inherently negative bias imagines society as a place where the effect of moving is fracture, discontinuity and disorganisation. It fails to mention the more positive and noble attributes which can surface in times of stress or even when faced with unfamiliar social or physical geographies: people meeting new faces, the kindness of strangers, forging impromtu and practically based social connections, the refinement and flourishing of social skills and norms which can sometimes atrophy in normal urban environments. All in all, a world where my strange new neighbour after the flood is in a similar position to me, will feel an analogous impulse to reach out and find the safety of human contact and comfort to my own, is one which, while not stress free, does not sound unnattractive.</p><p>2) rivers are in some ways predictably upredictable, if you excuse the bad english. So while one might find onself with new neighbours, in ones or twos perhaps, you will still inhabit an environment which is predominantly of similar social fabric to the one before the flooding event. Note also that the umbilicus mentioned will also effectively be a tether, restricting the distance and radius of travel unless there is an unfortunate accident.</p><p>Finally, there is no direct analogue between the flood event envisaged here and that which occurred during Hurricane Katrina. Here there are effectively thousands of discreet units, boxes which although for habitation primarily are also full of the paraphernalia of living, of personality and of legacies. These people in the scenario envisaged will not have to come to terms with loosing the markers of their identity, loosing the ephemeral links between place and home, dealing with the shock of death and loss. I think people should at least give this project another look and enjoy the fun, positive aspects of it rather than dwelling on the darknesses of the past&#8230;</p><p>My two cents&#8230; ;)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: zyde</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83751</link> <dc:creator>zyde</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:32:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83751</guid> <description>... even if it works, i dont think i will like to live it a city that changes each time it floods. The sense of &quot;home&quot; is gone, it will feel like a constant wait for the flood. And from the pictures, it seems like there is a chance of the houses hitting each other.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; even if it works, i dont think i will like to live it a city that changes each time it floods. The sense of &#8220;home&#8221; is gone, it will feel like a constant wait for the flood. And from the pictures, it seems like there is a chance of the houses hitting each other.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cpine</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83669</link> <dc:creator>cpine</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:02:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83669</guid> <description>.... so, the levees won&#039;t fail, just the &quot;RV&quot; connections, and these luminaria will get flushed out to the Gulf in the next big blow.  The surge was the result of a catagory 5 storm, not an overflowing bathtub....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;. so, the levees won&#8217;t fail, just the &#8220;RV&#8221; connections, and these luminaria will get flushed out to the Gulf in the next big blow.  The surge was the result of a catagory 5 storm, not an overflowing bathtub&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: jessiejchuang</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83553</link> <dc:creator>jessiejchuang</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:46:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83553</guid> <description>To me this whole idea is way too Dadaist - relying heavily on chance.  The diagram above is somewhat idealistic and lack careful consideration.  Do they have a confident plan to prevent these houses from colliding and/or able to resist all degrees of flooding?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me this whole idea is way too Dadaist &#8211; relying heavily on chance.  The diagram above is somewhat idealistic and lack careful consideration.  Do they have a confident plan to prevent these houses from colliding and/or able to resist all degrees of flooding?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GentillyGirl</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83519</link> <dc:creator>GentillyGirl</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:22:02 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83519</guid> <description>We are at 9\\\&#039; now. This is what my people have done for 300 years here. (BTW- I had a bookstore and a home when Loma Prieta snapped) We\\\&#039;ve done the right things, but it doesn&#039;t mean poop won&#039;t happen.Let me put it this way: if y&#039;alls wanna be safe, find an asylum. Life is life... you can get run over or shot. This is the price we pay for being alive.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are at 9\\\&#8217; now. This is what my people have done for 300 years here. (BTW- I had a bookstore and a home when Loma Prieta snapped) We\\\&#8217;ve done the right things, but it doesn&#8217;t mean poop won&#8217;t happen.</p><p>Let me put it this way: if y&#8217;alls wanna be safe, find an asylum. Life is life&#8230; you can get run over or shot. This is the price we pay for being alive.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: maitri</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83517</link> <dc:creator>maitri</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:04:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83517</guid> <description>The entire city is not below sea level.  It is home to one of America&#039;s oldest cultures, &quot;protected&quot; by the Army Corps of Engineers shoddy levees.  Amsterdam holds back the ocean just fine with fine Dutch engineering.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire city is not below sea level.  It is home to one of America&#8217;s oldest cultures, &#8220;protected&#8221; by the Army Corps of Engineers shoddy levees.  Amsterdam holds back the ocean just fine with fine Dutch engineering.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: icedman</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83514</link> <dc:creator>icedman</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:56:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83514</guid> <description>aaron- lacking sensitivity is one thing but please dont be an uneducated ignoramous.  New Orleans was actually built at sea level when it was founded, over THREE CENTURIES it ended up falling below sea level</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aaron- lacking sensitivity is one thing but please dont be an uneducated ignoramous.  New Orleans was actually built at sea level when it was founded, over THREE CENTURIES it ended up falling below sea level</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: aaron</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83496</link> <dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:44:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83496</guid> <description>Maybe a city shouldn&#039;t be built below sea level? I mean it&#039;s kind of hard to hold back the ocean. Or would that just be the logical solution?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a city shouldn&#8217;t be built below sea level? I mean it&#8217;s kind of hard to hold back the ocean. Or would that just be the logical solution?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jayoutside</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83495</link> <dc:creator>Jayoutside</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83495</guid> <description>Ummmmm......OK. Let me say that no this is not going to work. Period. I am a born and bred New Orleanian. Anyone who wants to know what it is really like going through this should read a book by Chris Rose - &quot;1 Dead in Attic&quot;. I&#039;ll leave it at that.Second - I&#039;ll put my own 2 cents in if N.O. should be rebuilt or not. I&#039;ll put it this way. San Francisco  - the big one is coming. No one knows when, but if you don&#039;t move out now, then you are part of the problem too.Kinda childish isn&#039;t it? That&#039;s what its like trying to say that an entire city is foolish for moving back.
I wish all the best in imagination and creativity for solutions to help my city rebuild.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ummmmm&#8230;&#8230;OK. Let me say that no this is not going to work. Period. I am a born and bred New Orleanian. Anyone who wants to know what it is really like going through this should read a book by Chris Rose &#8211; &#8220;1 Dead in Attic&#8221;. I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p><p>Second &#8211; I&#8217;ll put my own 2 cents in if N.O. should be rebuilt or not. I&#8217;ll put it this way. San Francisco  &#8211; the big one is coming. No one knows when, but if you don&#8217;t move out now, then you are part of the problem too.</p><p>Kinda childish isn&#8217;t it? That&#8217;s what its like trying to say that an entire city is foolish for moving back.<br
/> I wish all the best in imagination and creativity for solutions to help my city rebuild.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ellaS</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/comment-page-1/#comment-83484</link> <dc:creator>ellaS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/06/02/floating-city-by-kim-and-stayner/#comment-83484</guid> <description>The natural levees alongside the river didn&#039;t fail, and are in much less danger than the man-made ones.  Also the land near the river is relatively high, and would be among the last places in the city to flood.  And thats just the start of this project&#039;s ignorance of what has happened and what is going on in this city.Contrast this project with &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.nola.com/dougmaccash/2007/12/floating_house_design_is_pitts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morphosis&#039;s Make it Right entry&lt;/a&gt; features a structure that can float.  Those large steel columns are allow the structure to move vertically, but allow it to remain in place and be stable.  I think this is a far more respectful approach to the same basic strategy.  I hope someone choses that design, but then I also hope the design never gets truly tested.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The natural levees alongside the river didn&#8217;t fail, and are in much less danger than the man-made ones.  Also the land near the river is relatively high, and would be among the last places in the city to flood.  And thats just the start of this project&#8217;s ignorance of what has happened and what is going on in this city.</p><p>Contrast this project with <a
href="http://blog.nola.com/dougmaccash/2007/12/floating_house_design_is_pitts.html" rel="nofollow">Morphosis&#8217;s Make it Right entry</a> features a structure that can float.  Those large steel columns are allow the structure to move vertically, but allow it to remain in place and be stable.  I think this is a far more respectful approach to the same basic strategy.  I hope someone choses that design, but then I also hope the design never gets truly tested.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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