Comments on: California To Become The Electric Vehicle Capital of the US

By: maxwell

maxwell — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:36:17 +0000

bernice: I used to live near the hydroelectric dam that you’re touting as clean. Ask the indigenous people that were supplanted (and I don’t just mean a few native people who had housing there, I mean a honest-to-god living off the land indigenous people, the Kwadacha) and moved to make that dam (the WAC Bennett, which actually provides a lot of California’s energy as well, so that’s at least more green than some).

And for the rest of you – you’re just moving the source of pollution. Until the whole US power grid is ‘green’ energy (which can be argued might never happen anyway) you’re just using an “out of sight, out of mind” attitude to assuage your guilt.

Hydro electric dams are different than coal-burning in that most can modify the number of turbines being spun to produce electricity. When I visited the Bennett, it was spinning 2 out of its 10 turbines, but that was more than 10 years ago now. The limitation of their capacity is the level of the reservoir behind the dam.

Max.

By: pburgess

pburgess — Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:46:42 +0000

On the one hand…I’m all for giving electric car infrastructure a shot at going mainstream, especially if, as I previously mentioned, the bulk of the power is acquired off-peak (the net effect then being zero additional pollution).

On the other hand…a BILLION DOLLARS? Might that money be better spent addressing underlying issues rather than simply perpetuating car culture using a different flavor of fuel? How about finishing the damn San Jose BART extension already and getting more cars off the road? Or improving the pathetic public transit in some cities. Or Yellow bike programs, better bike lanes and signage. Or…I dunno…a year’s supply of burritos for every man, woman and child in the state. ANYTHING but more cars!

By: eighteyes

eighteyes — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:17:30 +0000

$1 billion? That’s nothing! America throws $1.6 trillion at failing financial industries. Why invest in the future when we can patch up the past?

No really. That’s awesome, I’m looking forward to driving an ev in my lifetime.

By: mozart4701

mozart4701 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:43:08 +0000

This is really putting the cart before the horse imo. Where does the additional electricity for all of these cars come from? Mostly, non-green sources. We need to concentrate on the source before we worry about the consumer, ie cars, homes, etc…
Make the move to nuclear (re-processing plants to drastically reduce waste), solar (efficiency please) and others (tbd). Then we can convert the cars, homes and other end points to electricity.

By: pritchet1

pritchet1 — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:20:01 +0000

Are these metered power outlets? Who pays for the power? Coin-operated? Card swipe?

By: The Revolution Corporation

The Revolution Corporation — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:05:33 +0000

funny how when i was a kid, electricity was the inefficient dirty devil, and now it’s the superhero?
so, we’re polluting where the coal burning plant is, but our electric car keeps our inner city clean.
will we be worshiping electric baseboard heaters next?
why don’t we here more about Bio-Propane (coming out of MIT)… ?
it seems that ALL fuels have a down side, but isn’t the basic idea to use a clean burning fuel that’s sourced *locally* ?

By: tchild

tchild — Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:42:27 +0000

For San Francisco, a better alternative would be to use the overhead trolley power lines with electric cars. I can see a fee based structure with the revenues used for eletric power, maintenance and extending the network of trolley lines. So where do I get a pantograph for a Prius?

By: kd1s

kd1s — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:55:41 +0000

I’d love to see the same happen here in RI. Providence is the perfect city to test this in, since it’s relatively compact, has hills, and a preponderance of universities. They’ve recently gone to kiosk based parking, why not put the outlets on those and let people charge up as long as they pay for a ticket.

By: pburgess

pburgess — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 23:39:32 +0000

Bernice: In *theory*, no. In practice, we’ll see. Because of the way most varieties of power plant work, a considerable amount of energy (I’ve heard a range of 20 to 50 percent) is essentially thrown away. There is no off switch or throttle for a coal plant, for instance – it must burn fuel 24 hours a day whether there is a demand for the electricity or not – all they can control is whether the resulting steam is directed to generator turbines or just recondensed without doing any useful work. If EVs (and the batteries at these swap stations) are charged during the off-peak nighttime hours, that lost energy is put to good use, and no additional generating capacity is needed.

By: Christian Biggins

Christian Biggins — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:03:31 +0000

I think that while this is a partially positive ’step’, this money could be used to research auto’s that do not rely on both fossil fuels and batteries. Two age-old, non clean technologies. It seems that people will simply feel better if they can no longer see the pollutants coming out the exhaust… Now if California itself generated power using clean, sustainable techniques such as wind and solar, then this would be a much better idea and we’d only need to worry about the batteries.

By: Fair Trade

Fair Trade — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:53:14 +0000

Now, all S Cal has to do to become as ‘green as green can be’ is start drying clothes outside rather than dryers (in the 80’s SDGE ensured all condo leases contained clauses that clothes cannot be dried outside) and build the largest infrastructure of photovoltaic solar power to power the cars…

By: bernice paul

bernice paul — Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:58:07 +0000

This is encouraging news with respect to our oil dependence… but do we know what the demand for EV’s will do to the electricity grid? Will the state need to open up more power plants to meet the demand? Here in BC, we use hydro-generated electricity, and tout the “cleanest” electricity in the world. Friends who work for the utility believe that the EV demand won’t cause huge problems for the grid. What are your thoughts, or what have you heard?