Comments on: San Francisco Considers Nation’s First Congestion Pricing Plan http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/ Future-forward design for the world you inhabit Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:06:50 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: xcenhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-112537 xcen Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:21:08 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/#comment-112537 badlydrawnbear, you're absolutely right. I'm from NYC manhattan. I've made one recent trip to san fran, luckily on a weekend so I didn't get to experience the traffic that congestion pricing is trying to rid. But I don't think san fran traffic is anywhere near as bad as NYC. On a normal business rush hour day in NYC you can be sitting on canal Street for 2 hours just to go 1 mile to get to the holland tunnel to leave NY to NJ, (if you kow the shortcut like I do under 1 hr). If you would look at the manhattan map on google. The CBD in which NY was trying to impose congestion pricing to has 6 bridges connecting to the other boroughs. And 2 tunnels going to NJ. San fran only has 2 bridges out of the CBD south of market street if i'm correct. So you should simply build more highways (above ground) or tunnels directly going out of the CBD. NY has 2 tunnels that basically go directly out of a much more busy area. Brooklyn battery tunnel which goes from the downtown financial district (wall street) to brooklyn. And the queens midtown tunnel or midtown tunnel. It goes from 34th street (midtown where empire state building is) out to 495 Long island expressway in queens. Of course in NY during rush hour everyone one of these has lots of traffic already. But we're a city of 8 million. San fran is what, just under 1 million? I'd have to laugh if san fran has congestion pricing and NY doesn't :-) badlydrawnbear, you’re absolutely right. I’m from NYC manhattan. I’ve made one recent trip to san fran, luckily on a weekend so I didn’t get to experience the traffic that congestion pricing is trying to rid. But I don’t think san fran traffic is anywhere near as bad as NYC. On a normal business rush hour day in NYC you can be sitting on canal Street for 2 hours just to go 1 mile to get to the holland tunnel to leave NY to NJ, (if you kow the shortcut like I do under 1 hr). If you would look at the manhattan map on google. The CBD in which NY was trying to impose congestion pricing to has 6 bridges connecting to the other boroughs. And 2 tunnels going to NJ. San fran only has 2 bridges out of the CBD south of market street if i’m correct. So you should simply build more highways (above ground) or tunnels directly going out of the CBD. NY has 2 tunnels that basically go directly out of a much more busy area. Brooklyn battery tunnel which goes from the downtown financial district (wall street) to brooklyn. And the queens midtown tunnel or midtown tunnel. It goes from 34th street (midtown where empire state building is) out to 495 Long island expressway in queens. Of course in NY during rush hour everyone one of these has lots of traffic already. But we’re a city of 8 million. San fran is what, just under 1 million? I’d have to laugh if san fran has congestion pricing and NY doesn’t :-)

]]> By: ziebrahttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-112425 ziebra Thu, 04 Dec 2008 18:03:54 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/#comment-112425 Poor transit system is really to blame... http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/04/BALG14GTN7.DTL Poor transit system is really to blame…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/04/BALG14GTN7.DTL

]]> By: jmorkhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-112343 jmork Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:26:24 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/#comment-112343 Is that smart car photo for real? Scaaary! Is that smart car photo for real? Scaaary!

]]> By: Dallas Wardhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-112288 Dallas Ward Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:49:17 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/#comment-112288 Where do scooters and motorcycles fall into this plan? Both offer lower carbon emissions than cars (though they do emit more of other compounds), and their size makes them naturally less congestive with regard to both traffic and parking. Where do scooters and motorcycles fall into this plan? Both offer lower carbon emissions than cars (though they do emit more of other compounds), and their size makes them naturally less congestive with regard to both traffic and parking.

]]> By: badlydrawnbearhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-112282 badlydrawnbear Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:38:51 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/#comment-112282 I hate to write this on a sustainable website but I must point out that San Francisco ALREADY has congestion pricing, it is the 5 dollar toll for crossing the Golden Gate Bridge or Bay Bridge to drive into San Francisco.I am all for congestion pricing if there was a reliable alternative, unfortunately in San Francisco there is not. Muni is over crowded and unreliable. BART does not run from North Bay into San Francisco, residents of Marin county must cross the golden gate bridge. Additionally, families looking for affordable housing in the bay area must often live farther out and have no choice but to drive through the congestion zone because they have NO alternative transportation to work.San Francisco congestion does not even come close to NYC, Chicago, London, or any other major city in that has initiated this plan. Nor does San Francisco have the well run expansive public transit system these cities have. This is a poorly thought out plan in it's current form and the city has much more work to do to address public transit needs before it enacts congestion pricing. I hate to write this on a sustainable website but I must point out that San Francisco ALREADY has congestion pricing, it is the 5 dollar toll for crossing the Golden Gate Bridge or Bay Bridge to drive into San Francisco.

I am all for congestion pricing if there was a reliable alternative, unfortunately in San Francisco there is not. Muni is over crowded and unreliable. BART does not run from North Bay into San Francisco, residents of Marin county must cross the golden gate bridge. Additionally, families looking for affordable housing in the bay area must often live farther out and have no choice but to drive through the congestion zone because they have NO alternative transportation to work.

San Francisco congestion does not even come close to NYC, Chicago, London, or any other major city in that has initiated this plan. Nor does San Francisco have the well run expansive public transit system these cities have. This is a poorly thought out plan in it’s current form and the city has much more work to do to address public transit needs before it enacts congestion pricing.

]]> By: lplankhttp://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-112265 lplank Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:35:53 +0000 http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/12/02/san-francisco-votes-on-congestion-tax/#comment-112265 What a great article! I've recently been working with an Eco-friendly car service, PlanetTran (www.planettran.com/?=451) which is based out of both Boston and San Francisco. They offer a really great, and environmentally friendly, way to travel and are definitely worth checking out as an alternative means of transportation. What a great article! I’ve recently been working with an Eco-friendly car service, PlanetTran (www.planettran.com/?=451) which is based out of both Boston and San Francisco. They offer a really great, and environmentally friendly, way to travel and are definitely worth checking out as an alternative means of transportation.

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