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> <channel><title>Comments on: GREEN RANT: Why Won&#8217;t NYC Recycle Plastic?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/</link> <description>Future-forward design for the world you inhabit</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:34:26 -0500</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Why You Can&#8217;t Recycle Cups In NYC &#171; Zinc Plate Press Blog</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-176900</link> <dc:creator>Why You Can&#8217;t Recycle Cups In NYC &#171; Zinc Plate Press Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:31:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-176900</guid> <description>[...] NYC.GOV gives an explanation, but doesn&#8217;t say why they only accept &#8220;bottles and jugs (with necks smaller than their bodies).&#8221; As I said in my previous post, the faciliatator in the training I attended said it had to do with keeping the paper products &#8220;clean&#8221; and therefore easier to transport. A ZPP reader found this post at Inhabit.com [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NYC.GOV gives an explanation, but doesn&#8217;t say why they only accept &#8220;bottles and jugs (with necks smaller than their bodies).&#8221; As I said in my previous post, the faciliatator in the training I attended said it had to do with keeping the paper products &#8220;clean&#8221; and therefore easier to transport. A ZPP reader found this post at Inhabit.com [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: biffsmith123456</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-172507</link> <dc:creator>biffsmith123456</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 08:08:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-172507</guid> <description>You people are nuts washing your garbage.  Especially a plastic tomato box!!  What a waste of water.  The tomato box didn&#039;t need to be washed.And driving 8 miles to Newark in your car burning fuel and contributing to traffic congestion to drop off a couple pounds of plastic, extra crazy.  The gallon or two of petroleum you&#039;re burning to do that could have made all the plastic you&#039;re dumping and you&#039;re causing air pollution.By the way, organic figs transported half-way around the world from Turkey and sold at a big Whole Foods supermarket have a huge carbon footprint ... the tiny container is nothing comparatively.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You people are nuts washing your garbage.  Especially a plastic tomato box!!  What a waste of water.  The tomato box didn&#8217;t need to be washed.</p><p>And driving 8 miles to Newark in your car burning fuel and contributing to traffic congestion to drop off a couple pounds of plastic, extra crazy.  The gallon or two of petroleum you&#8217;re burning to do that could have made all the plastic you&#8217;re dumping and you&#8217;re causing air pollution.</p><p>By the way, organic figs transported half-way around the world from Turkey and sold at a big Whole Foods supermarket have a huge carbon footprint &#8230; the tiny container is nothing comparatively.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Yuka Yoneda</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-170892</link> <dc:creator>Yuka Yoneda</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:21:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-170892</guid> <description>I know, right? I am right there with you sister. When I think of all the time I wasted washing totally unrecyclable containers, I really get heated. Just to let you know, though, there is some hope. Whole Foods has a recycling program called Gimme 5 where you can bring in your #5 yogurt, hummus and other containers to be remade into Preserve toothbrushes, razors etc.: http://blog.wholefoodsmarket.com/2009/01/gimme-5-recycling/ It&#039;s a start!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know, right? I am right there with you sister. When I think of all the time I wasted washing totally unrecyclable containers, I really get heated. Just to let you know, though, there is some hope. Whole Foods has a recycling program called Gimme 5 where you can bring in your #5 yogurt, hummus and other containers to be remade into Preserve toothbrushes, razors etc.: <a
href="http://blog.wholefoodsmarket.com/2009/01/gimme-5-recycling/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wholefoodsmarket.com/2009/01/gimme-5-recycling/</a> It&#8217;s a start!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bethany</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-170890</link> <dc:creator>bethany</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:47:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-170890</guid> <description>im pretty much outraged. i had no idea. im the girl that carries #1 &amp; #2 containers around with me all day (since nyc has no public recycling receptacles) to take them home, &quot;ensuring&quot;  that theyll be recycled. ive educated my roommates and friends on recycling ALL #1 &amp; 2 plastics. i cant believe new york is not recycling these. the only reason i justify purchasing iced coffee, is knowing that at least i can take the cup home and recycle it. With the outrageous amount of disposable #1 &amp; #2 containers distributed daily in this city, its appalling enough that there is no initiative being taken to further expand our recycling program, but to not lessen it!? infuriating. thanks for this post. i will absolutely write to the City. and their reasons for not recycling &quot;well, you know its hard and it costs money...so, were just not gonna do it&quot;: completely unacceptable. less consumption has always been the best answer anyway, but still,. for as &quot;progressive&quot; of a city as we claim to be, we should be ashamed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im pretty much outraged. i had no idea. im the girl that carries #1 &amp; #2 containers around with me all day (since nyc has no public recycling receptacles) to take them home, &#8220;ensuring&#8221;  that theyll be recycled. ive educated my roommates and friends on recycling ALL #1 &amp; 2 plastics. i cant believe new york is not recycling these. the only reason i justify purchasing iced coffee, is knowing that at least i can take the cup home and recycle it. With the outrageous amount of disposable #1 &amp; #2 containers distributed daily in this city, its appalling enough that there is no initiative being taken to further expand our recycling program, but to not lessen it!? infuriating. thanks for this post. i will absolutely write to the City. and their reasons for not recycling &#8220;well, you know its hard and it costs money&#8230;so, were just not gonna do it&#8221;: completely unacceptable. less consumption has always been the best answer anyway, but still,. for as &#8220;progressive&#8221; of a city as we claim to be, we should be ashamed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dr. MacBride</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-154453</link> <dc:creator>Dr. MacBride</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-154453</guid> <description>As a public official who has devoted her life to the pursuit of sustainable waste management, I am saddened by the lack of understanding and correct information that is presented in this green rant and many of its comments (those of davidbivins excepted).  This lack may be explained by the unavoidable complexity of the subject.  Below is an attempt to lead the concern recycler through this complexity.-----------------------------------------------------------------The Department of Sanitation asks residents to recycle plastic bottles and jugs, and not other types of plastic, in curbside recycling.  We do not accept plastic tubs, trays, cups, bags, crates, flower pots, Styrofoam, toys or any other type of plastics besides bottles and jugs.  An easy rule to remember is: if you would not call it a bottle or a jug, and it’s plastic, don’t recycle it with your curbside recycling.  No exceptions.We understand, and appreciate, that many residents are confused, frustrated and even angry that our curbside recycling program allows them to recycle only plastic bottles and jugs, as opposed to other types of plastic.  If we could make the program simpler and take a wider range of plastics, we would.  As will be explained below, we do however have very good, well-studied reasons to insist only plastic bottles and jugs at this time.  The reasons take a while to explain, so have patience as you read on to understand.Like with Like: The First Basic Concept
Unlike metal, glass or paper, different types of plastic cannot be recycled together.  Each individual type of plastic must be kept separate in the recycling process.  The type of plastic reflects what resin it is made of, as well as the specific plastic molding process used to produce it.  If different resins and/or molding methods mixed together for recycling, the result is a useless glop that is unsuitable for the production of any new product.Numerical Resin Codes: Don’t Tell the Whole Story
On the bottom of many rigid plastic containers you can find a code number from 1 to 7, surrounded by “chasing arrows”, the international symbol for recycling.  These code numbers identify seven separate types, or resins, of plastics.  (You may be interested in the section of our website that addresses recycling symbols.)It would be nice if the code numbers on plastic containers specified what type of plastics could be combined in the recycling process.  Unfortunately, this is not the case. The numbers are misleading when it comes to recycling.  The code numbers were adopted by the Society of the Plastics Industry (SPI) in 1988 to provide an industry-wide standard that would make it easier for manufacturers to identify different types of plastic they produced.  The code numbers indicate the general type of chemical compound used to make the product.  But as the SPI points out on its web site, (http://www.plasticsindustry.org/AboutPlastics)  “The code was not intended to be — nor was it ever promoted as — a guarantee to consumers that a given item bearing the code will be accepted for recycling in their community.”In fact, the codes cause more confusion than clarity.  They give the impression that anything with a “chasing arrow” can and should be recycled in any municipal program.  In reality, the numbers do not guide recycling fully, because they do not reflect all of the different features of any plastic item that we need to know to recycle it.  In particular, the numbers do not distinguish between different types of plastic molding.  So, for example, a #1 blow molded bottle cannot be combined with a #1 injection molded tub, and so on.Why Molding Method is Important
Molding is the process by which molten plastic is turned into a container or other rigid object in the factory.  Plastic bottles are blow-molded, which means that the plastic is extruded by blowing air into it much as a glass bottle is blown.  Plastic tubs and trays are injection molded, which means that the plastic is extruded into a fixed mold to form its shape.  Blow molded and injection molded plastics have different melting points and cannot be combined in the plastics recycling process, even if they are of the same resin.  This is why you cannot mix bottles and jugs with tubs and trays together, even if they share the same code!Different Quantities of Differently Molded Resin in NYC Waste
In 1994/1995, we conducted a detailed and in-depth study of the contents of New Yorkers’ trash and recycling.  We sorted through thousands of randomly selected samples Because of the complexity of plastics, we made sure to categorize each of the seven resin codes and molding types.  As shown below, #1 and #2 bottles and jugs (which are by definition blow molded) constitute the majority of numbered containers in what New Yorkers consume. They are also the materials that have the strongest secondary markets.[img]http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/2b33fa76c2a2e9f7413f00044ba46d6b.jpg[/img]    &#124; backSecondary Markets: Why They Are Important
The most plentiful varieties of numbered plastic containers – #1 and #2 bottles and jugs –are also the ones that have strong markets. For any material to get recycled into a new product, it has to find a buyer – a company, known as a “remanufacturer” that is willing to buy the discarded material after it has been collected, sorted, cleaned and baled.  Otherwise, we pay to collect and sort discarded materials, but we cannot recoup our costs, and the materials either sit around, or have to be disposed of.Recycled #1 and #2 bottles are traded heavily on what are called secondary materials markets.  In other words, there are always buyers and sellers.  Other types of plastics may have markets that are not as strong.  For example, #5 Polypropylene Tubs (such as yogurt tubs) sometimes find buyers, and sometimes don’t.  While there are a few companies that buy sorted #5 PP tubs, demand is limited and distance to markets may be too great to be worth the cost of shipping.
Curbside Recycling and Drop Off Recycling Have Different Secondary Markets
Markets are not the same for commingled residential collections as for other kinds of collections. Curbside collections are commingled – cans, glass bottles and jugs, foil, metal and beverage cartons are mixed with plastic bottles and jugs when collected, with sorting and cleaning taking place later at a materials recovery facility.  To justify sending trucks and collection labor out, we need economies of scale and commingling is part of that economy.Drop-Off Programs such as the Park Slope Food Coop or Whole Foods accept, store, and periodically transport clean, pre-sorted plastics that residents bring in to the store voluntarily.  This is a very different model of collection, because the sorting and cleaning is done ahead of time by the consumer.  This “free labor” changes the economics of recycling, and allows weak markets to find buyers for recycled plastic that are not available for NYC’s commingled residential recycling.Both strong and weak secondary markets fluctuate.  Sometimes certain materials are worth a lot, other times very little.  In contrast, commingled collections don’t fluctuate.  The material put in the recycling bin day in, day out has to be collected, no matter what.  This means that only markets that are strong in the long term can work reliably with commingled collections.Making Sure What You Recycle Actually Ends Up Being Recycled
If we allowed people to recycle their plastic yogurt tub, # 1 tray, Styrofoam cup, or beach ball in their curbside recycling program, many would probably be very happy.  But this happiness would have a false basis, because in most cases these additional plastic items would be sorted out at the recycling plant and sent to the trash.  The reason we ask residents to recycle only plastic bottles and jugs – and not other types of plastics – is to make sure that most of what residents put in the recycling bin actually ends up being made into new products, instead of being sorted out later and disposed of as residue.NYC’s Curbside Program vs. Other Cities’ Programs
As mentioned above, strong secondary markets only exist for #1 PET Bottles and #2 HDPE bottles.  These two types of plastic bottles make up 95% of all bottles, so the vast majority of plastic bottles recycled in NYC do end up being made into new products.  The remainder (5%) are currently discarded as residue – this is a pretty low rate of residue.  In fact, this rate is far lower than residue plastics discarded from programs in other cities that accept a wider range of types of plastics in their municipal recycling.If you look at what other cities are doing with regard to plastic recycling, you’ll find that some ask for anything plastic in the recycling bin, others any plastic container, and still others any plastic with a resin code.  In reality, these cities are all recycling #1 PET and #2 HDPE bottles like NYC, but are not necessarily recycling any of the other plastics.There are two reasons why these cities ask for a wider range of plastics than NYC.  On the East Coast, other cities ask for all numbered containers because this will maximize the chance for people to properly recycle #1 and #2 bottles and jugs that have well-developed recycling markets, technologies, and remanufacturing processes.  Other types of plastic are disposed of as refuse after the most valuable plastics are sorted out.On the West Coast, the economics are different.  Proximity to Asian markets with low wages and high appetites for plastics mean that it is economical to ship unsorted loads of plastics to China and countries.  There, the costs of sorting are lower and environmental laws less restrictive in remanufacturing and disposal practices than in the US.  The proximity of West Coast cities to these markets means that a container full of mixed bottles, tubs, bags, and even toys will be worth something in Asia.  Not everything in this mixed load will necessarily end up recycled, but Asian buyers find it worth it to buy the whole load because some of the mixed load will command a price.Conclusion
By now the logic behind asking for only plastic bottles and jugs in our commingled curbside recycling should be coming into focus:- All plastic bottles and jugs are blow-molded.
- The vast majority of plastic bottles and jugs are #1 or #2.
- Strong secondary markets only exist for #1 and #2 blow molded plastics when collected in commingled form
We are currently in the process of updating our website to convey this information, and more, on the very complex subject of plastics and plastics recycling.  If you have any comments or questions on this response to your inquiry, I would be interested in hearing from you.  Please submit comments via the Wasteless website: www.nyc.gov/wasteless.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a public official who has devoted her life to the pursuit of sustainable waste management, I am saddened by the lack of understanding and correct information that is presented in this green rant and many of its comments (those of davidbivins excepted).  This lack may be explained by the unavoidable complexity of the subject.  Below is an attempt to lead the concern recycler through this complexity.</p><p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p><p>The Department of Sanitation asks residents to recycle plastic bottles and jugs, and not other types of plastic, in curbside recycling.  We do not accept plastic tubs, trays, cups, bags, crates, flower pots, Styrofoam, toys or any other type of plastics besides bottles and jugs.  An easy rule to remember is: if you would not call it a bottle or a jug, and it’s plastic, don’t recycle it with your curbside recycling.  No exceptions.</p><p>We understand, and appreciate, that many residents are confused, frustrated and even angry that our curbside recycling program allows them to recycle only plastic bottles and jugs, as opposed to other types of plastic.  If we could make the program simpler and take a wider range of plastics, we would.  As will be explained below, we do however have very good, well-studied reasons to insist only plastic bottles and jugs at this time.  The reasons take a while to explain, so have patience as you read on to understand.</p><p>Like with Like: The First Basic Concept<br
/> Unlike metal, glass or paper, different types of plastic cannot be recycled together.  Each individual type of plastic must be kept separate in the recycling process.  The type of plastic reflects what resin it is made of, as well as the specific plastic molding process used to produce it.  If different resins and/or molding methods mixed together for recycling, the result is a useless glop that is unsuitable for the production of any new product.</p><p>Numerical Resin Codes: Don’t Tell the Whole Story<br
/> On the bottom of many rigid plastic containers you can find a code number from 1 to 7, surrounded by “chasing arrows”, the international symbol for recycling.  These code numbers identify seven separate types, or resins, of plastics.  (You may be interested in the section of our website that addresses recycling symbols</p><p>.)</p><p>It would be nice if the code numbers on plastic containers specified what type of plastics could be combined in the recycling process.  Unfortunately, this is not the case. The numbers are misleading when it comes to recycling.  The code numbers were adopted by the Society of the Plastics Industry (SPI) in 1988 to provide an industry-wide standard that would make it easier for manufacturers to identify different types of plastic they produced.  The code numbers indicate the general type of chemical compound used to make the product.  But as the SPI points out on its web site, (<a
href="http://www.plasticsindustry.org/AboutPlastics" rel="nofollow">http://www.plasticsindustry.org/AboutPlastics</a>)  “The code was not intended to be — nor was it ever promoted as — a guarantee to consumers that a given item bearing the code will be accepted for recycling in their community.”</p><p> In fact, the codes cause more confusion than clarity.  They give the impression that anything with a “chasing arrow” can and should be recycled in any municipal program.  In reality, the numbers do not guide recycling fully, because they do not reflect all of the different features of any plastic item that we need to know to recycle it.  In particular, the numbers do not distinguish between different types of plastic molding.  So, for example, a #1 blow molded bottle cannot be combined with a #1 injection molded tub, and so on.</p><p> Why Molding Method is Important<br
/> Molding is the process by which molten plastic is turned into a container or other rigid object in the factory.  Plastic bottles are blow-molded, which means that the plastic is extruded by blowing air into it much as a glass bottle is blown.  Plastic tubs and trays are injection molded, which means that the plastic is extruded into a fixed mold to form its shape.  Blow molded and injection molded plastics have different melting points and cannot be combined in the plastics recycling process, even if they are of the same resin.  This is why you cannot mix bottles and jugs with tubs and trays together, even if they share the same code!</p><p> Different Quantities of Differently Molded Resin in NYC Waste<br
/> In 1994/1995, we conducted a detailed and in-depth study of the contents of New Yorkers’ trash and recycling.  We sorted through thousands of randomly selected samples Because of the complexity of plastics, we made sure to categorize each of the seven resin codes and molding types.  As shown below, #1 and #2 bottles and jugs (which are by definition blow molded) constitute the majority of numbered containers in what New Yorkers consume. They are also the materials that have the strongest secondary markets.</p><p> [img]http://www.inhabitat.com/wp-content/uploads/2b33fa76c2a2e9f7413f00044ba46d6b.jpg[/img]    | back</p><p>Secondary Markets: Why They Are Important<br
/> The most plentiful varieties of numbered plastic containers – #1 and #2 bottles and jugs –are also the ones that have strong markets. For any material to get recycled into a new product, it has to find a buyer – a company, known as a “remanufacturer” that is willing to buy the discarded material after it has been collected, sorted, cleaned and baled.  Otherwise, we pay to collect and sort discarded materials, but we cannot recoup our costs, and the materials either sit around, or have to be disposed of.</p><p> Recycled #1 and #2 bottles are traded heavily on what are called secondary materials markets.  In other words, there are always buyers and sellers.  Other types of plastics may have markets that are not as strong.  For example, #5 Polypropylene Tubs (such as yogurt tubs) sometimes find buyers, and sometimes don’t.  While there are a few companies that buy sorted #5 PP tubs, demand is limited and distance to markets may be too great to be worth the cost of shipping.</p><p>Curbside Recycling and Drop Off Recycling Have Different Secondary Markets<br
/> Markets are not the same for commingled residential collections as for other kinds of collections. Curbside collections are commingled – cans, glass bottles and jugs, foil, metal and beverage cartons are mixed with plastic bottles and jugs when collected, with sorting and cleaning taking place later at a materials recovery facility.  To justify sending trucks and collection labor out, we need economies of scale and commingling is part of that economy.</p><p>Drop-Off Programs such as the Park Slope Food Coop or Whole Foods accept, store, and periodically transport clean, pre-sorted plastics that residents bring in to the store voluntarily.  This is a very different model of collection, because the sorting and cleaning is done ahead of time by the consumer.  This “free labor” changes the economics of recycling, and allows weak markets to find buyers for recycled plastic that are not available for NYC’s commingled residential recycling.</p><p>Both strong and weak secondary markets fluctuate.  Sometimes certain materials are worth a lot, other times very little.  In contrast, commingled collections don’t fluctuate.  The material put in the recycling bin day in, day out has to be collected, no matter what.  This means that only markets that are strong in the long term can work reliably with commingled collections.</p><p>Making Sure What You Recycle Actually Ends Up Being Recycled<br
/> If we allowed people to recycle their plastic yogurt tub, # 1 tray, Styrofoam cup, or beach ball in their curbside recycling program, many would probably be very happy.  But this happiness would have a false basis, because in most cases these additional plastic items would be sorted out at the recycling plant and sent to the trash.  The reason we ask residents to recycle only plastic bottles and jugs – and not other types of plastics – is to make sure that most of what residents put in the recycling bin actually ends up being made into new products, instead of being sorted out later and disposed of as residue.</p><p>NYC’s Curbside Program vs. Other Cities’ Programs<br
/> As mentioned above, strong secondary markets only exist for #1 PET Bottles and #2 HDPE bottles.  These two types of plastic bottles make up 95% of all bottles, so the vast majority of plastic bottles recycled in NYC do end up being made into new products.  The remainder (5%) are currently discarded as residue – this is a pretty low rate of residue.  In fact, this rate is far lower than residue plastics discarded from programs in other cities that accept a wider range of types of plastics in their municipal recycling.</p><p>If you look at what other cities are doing with regard to plastic recycling, you’ll find that some ask for anything plastic in the recycling bin, others any plastic container, and still others any plastic with a resin code.  In reality, these cities are all recycling #1 PET and #2 HDPE bottles like NYC, but are not necessarily recycling any of the other plastics.</p><p>There are two reasons why these cities ask for a wider range of plastics than NYC.  On the East Coast, other cities ask for all numbered containers because this will maximize the chance for people to properly recycle #1 and #2 bottles and jugs that have well-developed recycling markets, technologies, and remanufacturing processes.  Other types of plastic are disposed of as refuse after the most valuable plastics are sorted out.</p><p>On the West Coast, the economics are different.  Proximity to Asian markets with low wages and high appetites for plastics mean that it is economical to ship unsorted loads of plastics to China and countries.  There, the costs of sorting are lower and environmental laws less restrictive in remanufacturing and disposal practices than in the US.  The proximity of West Coast cities to these markets means that a container full of mixed bottles, tubs, bags, and even toys will be worth something in Asia.  Not everything in this mixed load will necessarily end up recycled, but Asian buyers find it worth it to buy the whole load because some of the mixed load will command a price.</p><p>Conclusion<br
/> By now the logic behind asking for only plastic bottles and jugs in our commingled curbside recycling should be coming into focus:</p><p>- All plastic bottles and jugs are blow-molded.<br
/> - The vast majority of plastic bottles and jugs are #1 or #2.<br
/> - Strong secondary markets only exist for #1 and #2 blow molded plastics when collected in commingled form</p><p>We are currently in the process of updating our website to convey this information, and more, on the very complex subject of plastics and plastics recycling.  If you have any comments or questions on this response to your inquiry, I would be interested in hearing from you.  Please submit comments via the Wasteless website: <a
href="http://www.nyc.gov/wasteless" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/wasteless</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: palnquin</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-138963</link> <dc:creator>palnquin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:56:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-138963</guid> <description>I reuse all of my plastic yogurt, cottage cheese, soup, berry containers again and again but I still have dozens of them that I don&#039;t want to have wind up in a land fill.  Watercolor classes and other art classes used to use them for mixing paint, washing brushes, etc.  Is there any school or outlet for these in the NYC metro area.  They are overtaking my closet!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reuse all of my plastic yogurt, cottage cheese, soup, berry containers again and again but I still have dozens of them that I don&#8217;t want to have wind up in a land fill.  Watercolor classes and other art classes used to use them for mixing paint, washing brushes, etc.  Is there any school or outlet for these in the NYC metro area.  They are overtaking my closet!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: H1977</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-128166</link> <dc:creator>H1977</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:22:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-128166</guid> <description>So I&#039;ve lived in SF,&amp; now live in Santa monica. The person above that said so. Cal. Doesn&#039;t recycle doesn&#039;t know what they&#039;re talking about. Recycling is free, you no longer even have to sort the plastic from the paper, they also recycle lawn waste,&amp; I&#039;ve never lived in a city that made it easier! I just read an article stating that my city ( in southern calif.) recycles 80% of their waste. When I lived 5 minutes away in LA, it was just as easy! It&#039;s sad the NYC chooses not to do more for the earth. Maybe that&#039;s why we get so many people moving here from NY.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;ve lived in SF,&amp; now live in Santa monica. The person above that said so. Cal. Doesn&#8217;t recycle doesn&#8217;t know what they&#8217;re talking about. Recycling is free, you no longer even have to sort the plastic from the paper, they also recycle lawn waste,&amp; I&#8217;ve never lived in a city that made it easier! I just read an article stating that my city ( in southern calif.) recycles 80% of their waste. When I lived 5 minutes away in LA, it was just as easy! It&#8217;s sad the NYC chooses not to do more for the earth. Maybe that&#8217;s why we get so many people moving here from NY.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kyliefnyc</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-126572</link> <dc:creator>kyliefnyc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:33:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-126572</guid> <description>Thanks for the park slope recycling tip, I also found a place in Newark which is a short 8 mile drive for anyone
with a car, they recycle most plastics.  Waste Mgmt Recycle America 150 Saint Charles St. Newark, NJ 07105
Phone # 973-344-3003.   They are open weekdays till 5:30 and on Saturdays.  I think there should be some mobile recycling units for New York City for those people who would be willing to save their plastics until units come around once or twice a month.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the park slope recycling tip, I also found a place in Newark which is a short 8 mile drive for anyone<br
/> with a car, they recycle most plastics.  Waste Mgmt Recycle America 150 Saint Charles St. Newark, NJ 07105<br
/> Phone # 973-344-3003.   They are open weekdays till 5:30 and on Saturdays.  I think there should be some mobile recycling units for New York City for those people who would be willing to save their plastics until units come around once or twice a month.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: davidbivins</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-123566</link> <dc:creator>davidbivins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:38:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-123566</guid> <description>This article only demonstrates your inability to do 5 minutes of research. The cartoonish recycling fliers and labels that we all get in the mail have told you what you can and cannot recycle for years. Even if you don&#039;t know English very well you can figure it out (and they&#039;re available in multiple languages).
Secondly, and this is what really irks me about your annoyance, San Francisco accepts those containers for recycling merely to simplify the process for residents. San Francisco then THROWS AWAY the plastics that are too difficult to recycle. New York just minimizes that cycle by having residents do it instead.
The idea that New York City sanitation workers are lazy for not being able to sort your trash is also laughable. Obviously you don&#039;t know that they actually sort through all the subway system trash and sort out the recycling. Is that lazy?
While you&#039;re entitled to your opinion, it&#039;s rather reckless of you to post such an ignorant post when the information is so easily found online. It&#039;s really disappointing that you&#039;ve stoked the anger and frustration of many other commenters based on your ignorance. Nice job.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article only demonstrates your inability to do 5 minutes of research. The cartoonish recycling fliers and labels that we all get in the mail have told you what you can and cannot recycle for years. Even if you don&#8217;t know English very well you can figure it out (and they&#8217;re available in multiple languages).<br
/> Secondly, and this is what really irks me about your annoyance, San Francisco accepts those containers for recycling merely to simplify the process for residents. San Francisco then THROWS AWAY the plastics that are too difficult to recycle. New York just minimizes that cycle by having residents do it instead.<br
/> The idea that New York City sanitation workers are lazy for not being able to sort your trash is also laughable. Obviously you don&#8217;t know that they actually sort through all the subway system trash and sort out the recycling. Is that lazy?<br
/> While you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion, it&#8217;s rather reckless of you to post such an ignorant post when the information is so easily found online. It&#8217;s really disappointing that you&#8217;ve stoked the anger and frustration of many other commenters based on your ignorance. Nice job.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: andreabakacs</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-123053</link> <dc:creator>andreabakacs</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:32:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-123053</guid> <description>New York City makes recycling so complicated that I&#039;ve never, ever ever met a single person that has been able to tell me what can and can&#039;t be left for curbside recycling. They simple think if they see a recycling symbol and a number, then they can recycle it. In a way this is true, all those items ARE recyclable, they just probably aren&#039;t part of the tax payer curbside program. However, you can take your #5 tubs to the Whole Foods on East Houston, to the Park Slope Co-Op. When I tell people what they can and can&#039;t recycle and that if just one non bottle shaped #1 or #2 or any #3-#7 gets in the batch it ruins the whole lot they are usually first shocked, then move on to whatever else is on their mind. Therefore I don&#039;t think NYC residents would actually pay more to have more recycled. Sad but true. I try to convert everyone I meet, and hopefully with several small organizations trying to increase awareness we will change the system one day. In the meantime, go to Whole Foods to drop off your take-out containers.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New York City makes recycling so complicated that I&#8217;ve never, ever ever met a single person that has been able to tell me what can and can&#8217;t be left for curbside recycling. They simple think if they see a recycling symbol and a number, then they can recycle it. In a way this is true, all those items ARE recyclable, they just probably aren&#8217;t part of the tax payer curbside program. However, you can take your #5 tubs to the Whole Foods on East Houston, to the Park Slope Co-Op. When I tell people what they can and can&#8217;t recycle and that if just one non bottle shaped #1 or #2 or any #3-#7 gets in the batch it ruins the whole lot they are usually first shocked, then move on to whatever else is on their mind. Therefore I don&#8217;t think NYC residents would actually pay more to have more recycled. Sad but true. I try to convert everyone I meet, and hopefully with several small organizations trying to increase awareness we will change the system one day. In the meantime, go to Whole Foods to drop off your take-out containers.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: dcdomain</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-122177</link> <dc:creator>dcdomain</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-122177</guid> <description>Just came back from San Francisco and I loved that their takeout food containers are so much more enviro-conscious than ours. No styrofoam! Also all those composting bins everywhere, great!Don&#039;t be too disappointed with NYC though. Last year when I was in Japan, I found out that Tokyo doesn&#039;t recycle either. And coming from such an &#039;advanced&#039; society as Tokyo&#039;s I was shocked.http://blog.dcdomain.org/2008/03/weekend-in-tokyo-part-1-of-2.html
&quot;Odaiba
The island the Big Sight sits on has an interesting history that I won&#039;t bother repeating here. I&#039;m not sure if garbage was used as landfill material, but there is mention on the web of landfills nearby Odaiba. I&#039;ve made a big deal about how clean Tokyo seems and how much they recycle, but I was disappointed to find out that they bury their plastic rather than washing and recycling it. If you care enough to read about Tokyo&#039;s garbage treatment, check out this informative Japan Times article.&quot;http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fd20071007pb.html</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came back from San Francisco and I loved that their takeout food containers are so much more enviro-conscious than ours. No styrofoam! Also all those composting bins everywhere, great!</p><p>Don&#8217;t be too disappointed with NYC though. Last year when I was in Japan, I found out that Tokyo doesn&#8217;t recycle either. And coming from such an &#8216;advanced&#8217; society as Tokyo&#8217;s I was shocked.</p><p><a
href="http://blog.dcdomain.org/2008/03/weekend-in-tokyo-part-1-of-2.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dcdomain.org/2008/03/weekend-in-tokyo-part-1-of-2.html</a><br
/> &#8220;Odaiba<br
/> The island the Big Sight sits on has an interesting history that I won&#8217;t bother repeating here. I&#8217;m not sure if garbage was used as landfill material, but there is mention on the web of landfills nearby Odaiba. I&#8217;ve made a big deal about how clean Tokyo seems and how much they recycle, but I was disappointed to find out that they bury their plastic rather than washing and recycling it. If you care enough to read about Tokyo&#8217;s garbage treatment, check out this informative Japan Times article.&#8221;</p><p><a
href="http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fd20071007pb.html" rel="nofollow">http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fd20071007pb.html</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: MikeC-NJ</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-122047</link> <dc:creator>MikeC-NJ</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:10:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-122047</guid> <description>The population difference only makes it that much more important for NYC to be doing it.
They could either make excuses or they can make it happen. They have raised taxes several times for other projects that they deemed important.
I also didn\&#039;t realize the window was so small to voice my opinion about this? If nothing was said 2 years ago, then don\&#039;t ever bother saying anything again?  Wow, I wonder how any kind of progress has ever been made in this country with statements like that. Oh yeah, I know, it\&#039;s because your wrong, and it\&#039;s never too late to change things.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The population difference only makes it that much more important for NYC to be doing it.<br
/> They could either make excuses or they can make it happen. They have raised taxes several times for other projects that they deemed important.<br
/> I also didn\&#8217;t realize the window was so small to voice my opinion about this? If nothing was said 2 years ago, then don\&#8217;t ever bother saying anything again?  Wow, I wonder how any kind of progress has ever been made in this country with statements like that. Oh yeah, I know, it\&#8217;s because your wrong, and it\&#8217;s never too late to change things.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: erinanyc</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-121933</link> <dc:creator>erinanyc</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:50:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-121933</guid> <description>I did a joint project with the nyc dept of sanitation in college exploring the limits of their recycling program.  essentially, it is NOT laziness that prevents the city from expanding the program, it is the sheer fact that it would be so expensive to pay for the facilities alterations and extra man power needed to support it that the department would have to submit a proposal for a budget increase that would cause a massive outcry in the public.  sure, everyone wants better recycling options until it raises their taxes. and while it\&#039;s very nice that oakland westchester have successful programs, comparing those cities in terms of not only population but physical space limitations is like comparing central park to your front yard.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a joint project with the nyc dept of sanitation in college exploring the limits of their recycling program.  essentially, it is NOT laziness that prevents the city from expanding the program, it is the sheer fact that it would be so expensive to pay for the facilities alterations and extra man power needed to support it that the department would have to submit a proposal for a budget increase that would cause a massive outcry in the public.  sure, everyone wants better recycling options until it raises their taxes. and while it\&#8217;s very nice that oakland westchester have successful programs, comparing those cities in terms of not only population but physical space limitations is like comparing central park to your front yard.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: crackgerbal</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-121927</link> <dc:creator>crackgerbal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:46:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-121927</guid> <description>wow how frustrating. I understand the cities point of view since it does cost more, but im sure the residents of NYC would happily pay for the extra cost of recycling the containers. In the mean time, since the city won&#039;t change its stance any time soon, I would suggest just not buying these plastic containers.If you want more reasons not to use plastics like these check out my latest blog post, reasons to stop using plastic bottles.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow how frustrating. I understand the cities point of view since it does cost more, but im sure the residents of NYC would happily pay for the extra cost of recycling the containers. In the mean time, since the city won&#8217;t change its stance any time soon, I would suggest just not buying these plastic containers.</p><p>If you want more reasons not to use plastics like these check out my latest blog post, reasons to stop using plastic bottles.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: sparky</title><link>http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/03/19/green-rant-why-wont-nyc-recycle-plastic/comment-page-1/#comment-121898</link> <dc:creator>sparky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:49:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.inhabitat.com/?p=21144#comment-121898</guid> <description>Um, hello? Where have you been? NYC has NEVER recycled anything other than #1 and #2 PET bottles (and milk cartons, but that\&#039;s another story). This is not exactly news. Incidentally, the DOS &amp; DEP websites explain this stance. If there was a time to mention this it would have been about two years ago as commodity prices took off and the city had more money to institute a wider-ranging program. Complaining now just looks silly, not to mention wasteful--you should have checked what could be recycled as municipalities usually have different programs.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, hello? Where have you been? NYC has NEVER recycled anything other than #1 and #2 PET bottles (and milk cartons, but that\&#8217;s another story). This is not exactly news. Incidentally, the DOS &amp; DEP websites explain this stance. If there was a time to mention this it would have been about two years ago as commodity prices took off and the city had more money to institute a wider-ranging program. Complaining now just looks silly, not to mention wasteful&#8211;you should have checked what could be recycled as municipalities usually have different programs.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss><!--
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